Board of Commissioners · Regular Meeting · August 5, 2024

Of our board members it's a very diverse group of folks who represent nonprofits here in Durham who also work with older adults and also other populations in our community and also the board is this County's Home and Community Care block grant advisory committee so our role as a backbone organization so we do not provide Direct Services this organization and the comprehensive aging plan is a collective effort it's a community effort and so a part part of our role as the backbone organization is that we ensure that the Aging plan remains relevant to older adults adults who have disabilities and their families and when we say adults we mean older adults we mean anyone who is 50 years or older and adults who have disabilities is anyone who is 18 years old who who also has a disability as our part of our role is we provide ongoing technical assistance and we serve as a convenor to manage implementation of the comprehens comprehensive aging plan and we actively Co collaborate with older adults.

Adults who have disabilities nonprofits faith-based organizations associations coalitions and Durham County and Center City to support activities that make our community more age friendly more livable and more Equitable I also now want to share with you about the age friendly network of states and communities and the agef friendly framework because this really helps under help set our understanding about what the Aging plan is and also how does it fit with DAR County's strategic goals so on February 1st 2019 both the city and county joined the age Philly network of states and communities so in the United States AARP is the convenient Organization for the age filing network of states and communities but this is a global movement when a community joins the AG filing network of states and communities it means that their elected officials have a pledge to work with residents and local Advocates to make their Community more age friendly and a big part of that membership also means a commitment in participating in and supporting the design implementation.

And evaluation of an age friendly plan so here's the agef friendly Network there are eight domains and if you look at aging plans from other communities they usually set their their plan up based on these eight domains here in Durham we actually have have nine domains so we've added an additional one and communication and information is a cross cutting issue within our comprehensive aging plan that I'll share with you a little bit long a little bit later on so our first aging plan was developed in 2019 so the organization called the DM partnership for seniors which is also one of our parent organizations they brought together a steering committee and also working groups to design the first aging plan that year and the working groups included lots of individuals including individual older adults adults with disabilities and plus representatives from Community Based organizations Health Care social care Public Health Darman City counties and over 10 months the groups developed domain definitions goals strategies and identified lead agencies for that 2019 aging.

Plan the original goal was that coordinated implementation of the 2019 aging plan was to begin in 2020 but of course this was paused because of covid-19 in fact the last time I was in this room was the last public meeting that you all held before we all had to go into lockdown for covid-19 my colleague and I Melissa black was actually here to share the Aging plan but we were not able to that day and then we were supposed to come back the next month and then Co Co caused us to all hit pause but we know that some of the activities that in that 2019 plan have moved forward and have been implemented probably the best example is the god Dar seniors route pilot which is called the darm senior subtle which is still active up and running and hopefully expanding over the next couple of years and also the organizations individuals who participated in developing that 2019 aging plan they stayed together during Co the height.

Of Co in 2020 through 2022 to implement several projects including including a community health worker project and a digital Equity project so the 2019 plan it has is still is still around and also again activities were implemented to support that plan even during Co but now we have a brand new plan a 2024 darm comprehensive plan I was hired by aging well darm in November of 2023 and 2022 excuse me and I began working in January 2023 and one of the first things that just myself just reading that 2019 plan I realized that we probably needed to step back and look at it and see if did it still meet the needs of older adults here in Dar and adults who have dis have disabilities and so one of the other things I want to share with you is also the age friendly plan cycle so most of the communities who have an age friendly plan they use a 5year cycle of continual engagement collaboration and Improvement years one.

And two are usually focused on planning and years three and five are focused on implementation monitoring and evaluation so we're getting to 2024 at that time the plan was probably about three three and a half four years old and so that was another reason for me to say we probably need to step back and think about does this plan is it still relevant for our community so in 20123 early 2023 we brought back some of the livability groups including a new one for older adult hunger nutrition they reviewed the 2019 plan and they decided that we needed to update the plan things have changed a lot in Durham since 2019 not just only how our community is as far as you know demographics and the needs and the priorities but also how we work together as Community Partners and also how we engage community members in this work and so through this process in 2024 we thought we were going to just be updating the 2019 plan but really what.

Happened was a new plan was developed so we have now a brand new comprehensive aging plan in addition to the livability groups that came together to develop this new plan we also have a coordinating Council that developed new mission and vision statements for our new plan and they also have defined additional additional cross cutting issues here is a list of our coordinating council members these represent at least two people from each livability group who have developed the brand new plan and here are the livability groups who develop the new plan so here you see about seven different livability groups but they're actually covering about nine different domains within the plan so we have one group that focused on abuse neglect and exploitation another on Civic engagement and employment social participation community support Health Services housing older adult hunger nutrition respect and inclusion and then we also have a transportation in outdoor spaces and buildings group here are the cross cutting issues that you will see in our brand new plan so accessibility when we say.

Accessibility we mean accessibility in all different kinds of ways so not just only physical accessibility but language accessibility communication including digital Equity Community safety that is really a a priority for for older adults and adults who have disabilities here in Durham because we know just that they are also at increased risk of being victimized by violence and also in situ being placed in situations that are unsafe climate resiliency is also a brand new cross cutting issue for the Durham comprehensive aging plan dementia intergenerational opportunities including intergenerational spaces racial Equity sexual orientation and gender identity social support and social economic status so as we look at this new plan we should be seeing as considerations to all these different cross cutting issues we know we cannot be recommending strategies and goals for darm that do not take into account all of these different issues and that may be that that shape people's lived experience very complex lived experiences in addition to the members of our board and the coord ating.

Council for the new plan we also have several Partners who've developed helped us develop this plan or have taken leadership I should say and developing this plan along with aging well D and here's a list of all of the folks who have different organizations who have participated in the plans design and we also have several representatives from Dar County and City departments participating in the livability groups who've developed this brand new plan including cooperative extension of course the Department of Public Health Department of Social Services Fire Marshal emergency services and Emergency Medical Services and also several city of Durham departments as well so now I want to just share with you three examples of how this brand new comprehensive aging plan aligns with Durham County strategic goals before I share with that I also would like to say thank you and I really appreciate that within the Strategic the Strategic goals that there is one objective that does say that Durham has an aging plan so I'm very happy to to say that that the.

Aging plan is one of the Strategic goals or within was within the Strategic goals for darm County but our first example here is around strengthening the workforce by supporting the provision of Effective Education training and Workforce supports particularly for hardto employ groups so for our Civic engagement and Employment Group not only did they develop brand new goals and strategies and identify lead agencies within this new plan they've also identified goals for implementations and both of these goals support the strategy around lifelong learning so one is around expanding awareness of Civic engagement and employment opportunities for old older adults and adults who have disabilities and the other one is around building Community awareness of the value of older adults and employment volunteer and Civic engagement another example of how this aging plan aligns with darm County strategic goals is around the health and well-being goal to so objective 2.1 healthy lives and then also the strategy working towards a more seamless system of services that touch people in crisis.

Or in jail to help them gain St stability recover and return to healthy lives more quickly so within the Durham aging plan one of the implementation goals that we will be developing activities to support over the next couple of years is around goal three which is around improving community support and response to ensure Public Safety for all older adults in the event of emergencies and crisis and when we say emergencies and crisis we mean things as complex as a global pandemic to things that are maybe happening every single day here within our communities with within our with our families so interpersonal conflict as well and that's also one of the ways that this aging plan differs from the TW 19 plan and also I think reflects the difference in how we're thinking about improving ageability and livability here in Durham so if you look at a 2019 plan there is some focus on supporting folks who are experiencing emergencies but it's all really focused on making sure the individual is.

Prepared to respond to the emergency and we know through co9 yes that is important the individuals are prepared but there's also a community response that needs to come as well and so we wanted again to update this new plan or develop a new plan that def that reflects our thinking after the last 3 to four years we also have here another example from County Gold 3 around safe communities so the emergency response Services so for again that same goal that you saw for community support and Health Services goal three aligns with the county goal but we also have another goal which is from the respect and inclusion domain which is around enhancing the well-being of persons living with dementia through an inclusive CommunityWide multi- seor Partnership of supports and services so where are we now we have this brand new plan and over this spring and summer the livability groups have identified 13 implementation goals that means over the next 2 and 1 half to three and a half four years we are going.

To to be developing activities to support these goals one of the goals activities are already being implemented and that is the goal around strengthening the Duram Adult Protective multi-disciplinary team so there Duram does have a multi-disciplinary team and so aging well Durham is serving also as a providing some coordination support to that group we also have some activities that are going to be happening fairly soon around establishing the dementia inclusive dementia capable multi- sector volunteer partnership in collaboration with dementia inclusive over the next three four months until the end of the year we are going to first of all finalize the plan send it to the age friendly Network once that plan reaches the network that means that we must begin thinking about implementation even though we already are ahead of that we also want to sit down with our our partners particularly the lead agencies and develop M us that are really going to outline how we're going to work together in everyone's role over the next three.

And a half four years I'm also speaking with other communities here in North Carolina who have also developed mlus once they've gotten to the point of implementation of their aging plan aging well DMS board has an evaluation committee and so they're going to be getting together to identify desired outcomes for the plan so so we have the domains but we know we also need to be thinking about what are the desired outcomes what are we all working towards we also will begin some drafting of the key indicators for each domain and we'll begin drafting timeline and the implementation activities beginning next year we should have all of the roles defined for how we're going to work together including aging well Durham we also know that some of the activities to support this plan are going to require additional resources including funding so we are going to be working on developing some funding plans to support these new implementation activities and also identifying possible investment opportunities and I really really like to think of these as.

Investment opportunities and not necessarily as funding because what we are proposing in this plan you know we have this fiveyear cycle but it's probably going to take us about 10 15 years actually to make sure that we we're we're really making a a positive outcome a positive difference for community members here and dur for older adults and adults who have disabilities and we'll also have an evaluation framework defined hopefully next year or at least that's our plan for next year and all along the way we're going to continue doing some direct engagement of older adults and adults with disabilities this spring we also held a series of eight listening sessions with older adults who speak Spanish Mandarin Chinese Haitian Creole also adults who have disabilities adults who live older adults who live in northern Durham older adults who live in the West End Community here in the centrer part of the city and also as we're do managing the implementation of this aging plan aging will DM will also work on our.

Development as an organization as a nonprofit and that includes establishing our 501c3 status and also expanding our communication infrastructure and also again is big part of our our role here is to share the promising practices that other communities have used to increase their communities age friendliness and livability so I want to thank you so much again for having us here today and we're here to answer any questions or feedback receive your feedback as well thank you so much for your presentation it was a very very thorough and in-depth presentation and very fast also so like not too fast but like a lot of information I appreciate it so much I've learned so much about our aging plan through this presentation I'm really glad that you brought it forward and thank you commissioner Jacobs for also pushing and requesting this see if there's commissioner Jacobs we start with you okay commissioner Howton cool thank you thank you so much for the all the work that you've done putting into this and.

The work that you're going to do this is exciting given the report that I recently heard about the number of seniors that's going to be in North Carolina it's going to outnumber our youth that was amazing to hear so the question that I have has to do with two things the traffic lights and I don't know if that's part of your plan I didn't see that CU seniors have a problem getting across the street and I know that's that's a city thing or a state more so but can is that a part of of the plan yeah so under the transportation domain when we mean transportation we mean not only buses and cars but we also mean walkability bikability and there are specific strategies actually a couple of goals one goal is particular I'm thinking of that is focused on how to how we can improve walkability here in darm and I I forgot to mention in 2019 and also this spring through the listing sessions we learned that's also.

A bit concern for older adults and adults who have disabilities here in Durham is the increase in traffic and also people's ability just to go from one corner to the next safely and so yes that is something that we're looking to address over the next I keep saying two and a half three four years but we know of course it may take longer than that but that is definitely one of our big priorities for transportation that's great and also I don't know I know that gold triangle is doing their strategic plan right now and I'd love for them to have whatever they need in their plan that matches this plan so that when we're looking at Regional Transportation we're looking at Connecting the Dots here yes so that our seniors can get where they need to get because that's because they need transportation to get to the grocery store to get the doctor's office all of those things yeah yep and so that's also another thing that we want to expand.

We now have the senior food shuttle that goes to the senior housing communities mainly in the central part of the city we want to expand it to we want to advocate for expansion to additional communities and we also want to Advocate and work with Partners to expand and so that service is not only available to folks for doctor's appointments and to go to the grocery store but also for social opportunities because we want to make sure that people have opportunities to socialize and connect and so yeah absolutely yeah cuz people not don't want to buy as many cars as they used to so we need the regional transit but thank you so much for all the work that you're doing thank you appreciate you welcome Wendy had her hand up way before me I'm sure I see her shuffling her papers I won't take very long thanks a lot really important work the one thing we all share is we're all getting older and I think an age friendly Community.

Is is really friendly to all ages and so we want it to be friendly for us all and in particular with the fastest growing portion of our population which are our aging adults and I I really like the fact that you reminded me anyway that this also includes adults with disabilities and it made me think of a a recent invitation I had to visit reality Ministries are they on your list of Partners yeah actually reality Ministries was is our partner for the listing session we had for I forgot to mention we had two sessions also with family caregivers one was in English and one was in Spanish and the one in English was with reality U Ministries so yes we have a partnership a relationship with them as well fantastic you're really very comprehensively connected it feels like what you need to be if you're the backbone of our community for this work and then the only other question that your presentation sort of generated for me was related to the goals to improve intergenerational.

Opportunities and it made me think about the fact that the county was a big partner in the development of the what is the what's the name of it now it's it's housing for seniors it's connected to the the child care the daycare the preschool not daycare the preschool wted the WT school do I've I've always wondered did the hope and goal of of having that housing for seniors so that the seniors could be volunteers and and and and work with the preschool children do we know if that ever panned out it just seemed like a something to think about maybe for the future I have a feeling that it never really did pan out per se but could be an opportunity for a strategy for the future I agree I agree I do I do really believe in the importance of connection between the generations and and how that makes us older people happier and healthier and even if you look at places around the world where.

People live to be 100 one of the it seems like the contributing factors is that they are strongly connected to usually is their younger family and it's just an extended family and so anyway thank you very much really appreciate your work it's super important and you're doing a masterful job with it and I think your plan seems really solid thank you thank you commissioner C I'll just add I'm fly taking notes whereas some initiatives she may not be aware of I'm keenly aware of so I'm making sure I got my to-do list thank you commissioner Jacobs thank you well we are so fortunate to have you as the executive director of age friendly Durham aging well age aging welder I'm sorry yeah I mean the thoughtfulness of the work that you all are leading is very evident and also all of the Partnerships that are happening and all the connections by you know the council and the board of directors and all the organizations so really thank you I want.

To apologize that we did not include your funding in our budget so we are going to address that at our next meeting and I think it's a good reminder that we really need to have you come at least on an annual basis maybe at a joint City County meeting since this is being funded you know by the city and the county and I I appreciate the historical overview some of us have been here for it because it's taken us a really long time it was my first term in office that Brenda and I were involved in one of the first big forums that we had for age friendly Durham that was probably back back in like 2014 so I mean really here we are 10 years later and we did the livability assessment through triangle J at that time and it's just it has just taken us a really long time so it's exciting to see this actually happening and thank you to both of you because it's a lot of work and you're.

Building the relationships and the Partnerships and that's really really really important and and I also want to thank you for your involvement we both work together on dementia inclusive Inc and Chalisa is actually helping to lead our next forum that we're going to have world Alzheimer's day she's really helping to lead that in September that form I appreciate you referencing the Strategic plan we now you have a new so now you've got a new agent we got a new strategic plan which we just we actually this is hot off the press we just got this today this hard copy but the way that you referenced the County's strategic plan I think yeah you'll be really interested to see the new revised plan cuz it's it's there's still complete alignment I was looking quickly at at the the new areas and the cross cutting issues that you're focusing on and so they's still complete you know you'll you'll see but I just and the you referenced the adult multidisciplinary team th this is really.

Big for the first time we have this happening and it's it's really exciting having everyone come together and doing real kind of case management around adults in our community aging adults it's really has not happened before and I agree with what commissioner Carter said you know I was sitting there thinking about the Durham Center for Senior Life you know actually the Central Park School for Children the Middle School is right next door to the senior center and the elementary school is is down the street so I I do think there are opportunities for us to do to do more of that so thank you for raising that and I'm curious when you said and I also appreciated the timeline so submitting to the international because it's not just National it's International the age friendly Network what will that process be like and do you anticipate that we will get approved oh yeah I mean well Dar County city we are already a member so yes absolutely so I'm in contact I've.

Been in contact with our state level ARP Representatives so they know that we'll have a new plan Coming fairly soon they also convene a bimonthly call of all the age friendly communities here in North Carolina I think there's about 15 of us total and so we just need to finalize the plan submit it and then the expectation is implementation activities will begin so yes and we we're already a little ahead as far as thinking about which goals we're going to focus on and then this fall is figuring out our commitment to one another and the indicators and our overall evaluation framework of this plan so yeah I think it's something that we should really try to promote the fact that we are one we are now you know an AARP age friendly Community some some communities really use it for marketing because we are really as you said only one of 15 in the state and I don't even know how many people National how many nationally or internationally so I think that that.

Would be something for us to really promote and then the other thing I was going to mention is how involved are you or connected into some of the plans that are being developed right now like we are Revis we're they're doing a downtown Durham new master plan we're we're revising our you know ordinances to implement our our land use plan or even when our Transit plan like you know you all should be at the table MH with all of those things as well and I I don't do you feel like you are connected or do we need to kind of make sure that you are I think it would be great if we were more connected we have we were connected for example with Scott Whitman who was here from the city county plane Department we had a meeting with him last year to talk about the comprehensive plan that was adopted in October and we took some of the language from that plan including the language around Community saf.

And that will be in the new aging plan and he also spoke with the housing group last year as well as as they were developing those goals we would welcome being invited and to participate in more planning processes because this is a comp it's a comprehensive plan and it's looking at all these different domains and we know this is very complex they also are very interconnected and we want to make sure that we are aligned so absolutely love to be invited because honestly that's how to commissioner howerton's point you know she asked about literally the timing of the traffic signals when people are crossing the street the only way those things are going to happen is if you all are in those at the table and I'm thinking e even Cher thinking about the new housing task force we should really have somebody from aging well Durham on that on that task force for instance thinking about you know the needs of seniors and aging adults so I think it would be good if.

We could all be actively making sure that aging well Durham is connected into all the planning that's happening so all right thank you thank you thank you also so much again for this amazing presentation and all of your work in this area thank you thank you so much for having us here today thank you our next presentation is the update presentation on the CIP planning process and I believe you have Deputy County Manager Claudia Julio they are so David Perry Keith like everyone.

Good afternoon we will share with the board an update on our Capital Improvement planning process this is a continuation of conversations held in the winter of 2023 and we had an update in May and this continues to be a very high priority as we try to move the board's priorities forward we'll cover a few items and we'll go high level and fast at first and then we'll slow down when we start talking about some of the projects so again we'll talk about the timeline remind you of the guiding principal documents that were shared previously we'll go over some selected County projects and then talk a little bit about next steps as well and then allow for board discussion this calendar outlines our process to date we started back in the fall of 20203 and winter 2024 requesting CI p information from departments and also some of the external organizations that we fund we had a policy update with the board in November at that time ACM Delgado presented a a framework and guiding.

Principles document for board feedback based on that feedback we refined it a little bit more and those principles were shared in June and we'll also formally get some feedback from you in September that's on the the the next page we'll move forward here's the update today in September we will talk and more about some of the projects in Greater detail also look at in that time frame between October and November shovel Readiness sequencing Pro projects and of course our ability to pay for for projects which is real important I did move somewhat quickly and there is a bullet as well that we are also receiving feedback from the Durham Technical Community College and and Durham Public Schools and I may it may not be showing but we also are getting their information as well and so they're simultaneously refining numbers and projects as you know with Co we we got some real sticker shock as we started to move forward with project planning and implementation and some of those various sectors of cost they.

They've come down but some are still pretty high and so we we are trying to balance what we planned five years ago and what it cost versus now and it's the balancing is just not happening the way we'd like so but we we plan accordingly so our intent is trying to move this forward as expeditiously as possible with the hope of bringing something to the board in November and again this is very aggressive this may move out further but we also recognize that we we need to make some decisions on some of the projects this just notes the The Guiding principles PL document that we shared and as we start doing project sequence quencing that is something that we will need your conversations about and in September we'll have a more formalized discussion about that there I will now pass this along to Perry to Sharon and I think there is in your there's a document that's maybe show up in the system a refreshed version of the slides which have dates.

On it and so we'll walk through that but many of the projects that we're presenting right now there was another table that I that we will show that's also in the system that shows all the projects so for instance duror Public Schools is almost a billion dollars worth of projects over the next 10 years that's in the plan we have a placeholder for instance for now for the animal shelter based on what we're seeing now the range is from maybe between 37 and 45 and so that version of the document is is in the system and apologize it's not showing but U but we'll walk through these and Perry will also share when we're expecting to bring some of these items to the board between arpa and capital Improvement planning you're going to see a lot of us because we have some tight deadlines we have to wrap up for various reasons and we appreciate your your patience through that so I'll pass along belong to who we areed y so good afternoon Commissioners.

Manager attorney Massie as Claudia mentioned several of these we have them slated for further discussion in either September or October and so we'll be following up based on that we've sort of listed these out based on what we've heard that you are interested in Andor what's relatively hot or higher priority projects and so the animal shelter as Claudia mentioned 37 to 45 million this project we are moving ahead with issuing an RFQ to get a design team on board so we can move forward with that you may remember back in 2020 we did some preliminary studies to determine what this would be that it could be cited on The Junction Road property since then further evaluation we've analyzed more what the fleet maintenance facility may look like and how much space needs to be allocated to both another hot button that has come up associated with this project is the inadequate water supply of some citizens north of this area and so that's something that we may also tag on to this project certainly in.

Conjunction with the city our earlier estimates probably two years now had that coming in at about $800,000 for us basically to provide water service from our site to that area north there to supply those those citizens that had inadequate water and so just keep that in mind any questions about this. Project well first of all I was jumping up and down when I saw this as the first thing listed whether it's supposed to give it any significance or not I have made no I haven't tried to hide the fact that this you know is has been the project waiting the longest in line and so for me personally it I feel it should be prioritized but I just want to see are you when you talk about assessing it are you doing that in conjunction with with the aps providers is that are you all at this point talking about the needs because this has been over such a long time that there may be other things that have changed too yeah that's a.

Great Point commissioner and that's exactly what we're going to do as I mentioned the studies that we did previously were 2020 obviously when we get a design team on board we'll go back in what we call a program verification which is to determine that what we had outlined in terms of spatial requirements needs functionality operations all of that is either still valid or it needs updating and so that will be the first phase is to do that program verification and then we can move on to the next steps which would be the schematic design and so on but but that is absolutely our intent to give that a refresh because for years I mean yeah it absolutely it's warranted so yes ma'am okay and again just using this as a case and point when you look at our current plan it shows that we had been spending money like the last few years building this obviously we didn't so just in terms of the the need to update the plan is it's not really doesn't.

Reflect reality yes ma'am yeah okay and I I will say in your in your budget document each year as we there's a section that's an attachment to this agenda item a supplemental information and you'll see some tables sort of where we are and if you were to look in Prior years we We Kick the Can as we move along so those planning dollars we've been we're ready for that part okay the backend part of it is now now a little bit higher because it's it's cost the cost of it that I talked about earlier is higher so that's for all of the the projects you'll see so that supplemental document again it's also in your budget document will will help with that okay and I didn't know what the animal shelter the site that they're on right now if they own it if they if that selling that would generate money that could go into the I don't know the details but whether there other additional ways to help pay for this.

They've also they rais an incredible amount of money already that supplements the operations and whether they would participate in helping a capital campaign things like that so I hope we'll be looking at all that yes ma'am so the next project we had on here was the sheriff's training facility this project was actually adopted in the 2020 CIP which was the last CIP that was ad adopted and so we're actually ready to go out for bid with this project we have R&D Architects as the design team or the designer of record lead designer and then we have the team of CT Wilson and ranking three grading doing this the construction management at risk and so they're going through the pre-qualification of contractors as we speak Commissioners you remember we did multiple land Acquisitions associated with this project project to address some issues that we were having up there to to make sure that we had I guess mitigated some of the issues that were a previous concern of us sort of fencing and gating the.

Property off you know this site is basically on an old landfill we're repurposing it it has you know a pistol scenario base training range rifle range a longdistance rifle range it has a 10,000 square ft facility that will be a flexible multi-purpose training space the physical well excuse me the police officers physical abilities testing training and certification will be able to be done there the gravel lot that you can see on the little diagram there it's basically two lots it's one for the civil repossession and then the other for the evidence vehicles so there's just a lot going on there obviously we're pursuing lead silver on this there's photo voltaics several other things that we're incorporating into this project but that will be coming to you all relatively soon I anticipate probably around January we'll be bringing a package for approval for construction so this is just a more detailed look at what's going on up there you know I didn't mention the the the lead capture system that's a.

New technology that we're putting in there so when the rounds are shot into the burms they'll actually be collected and sold back and so this is just something to sort of reiterate us being sustainable and really Forward Thinking in terms of repurposing materials and and the like so any questions about that one good the next project the Justice Services transition house you guys know this is the property up on East Club Boulevard that we own for right now this this facility is for men that come out of DET detention to give them a safe space basically to help them get acclimated back to the community this project we've been going back and forth trying to figure out whether it makes sense to repurpose it or to tear down and build new we've hearing things like there's also an interest from the board to have a women's space that accomplishes the same and we also had a $500,000 trunch of arpa funding that was supposed to be used for this project and.

So that's the urgency around that is to try to bring hopefully the design contract to the board in the near future so we can take advantage of that arpa funding utilization as as best as possible so any questions comments about that yes ma'am yeah I'm just curious because obviously that house is not worth $3.7 million so and you know there's U that has limited capacity I mean I'm thrilled to see I don't know in this market Wendy God so we're not California yet okay I'm just wondering I mean it's I'm glad that we are going to have $3.7 million for transitional housing yay so I'm I'm I'm wondering like how big are we thinking yes cuz yeah awesome thanks for the question I asked ACM Bron to come up because I really want him to explain to you all some of the conversations we've been having assistant County Manager Dwayne Brenson thanks for allowing me to come up this has been an involved discussion we've been working through a lot of different options with this.

The $3.7 million figure is a new figure that's not what we were working with as soon as a few months back so the picture a few months ago looked very different so now we are exploring other options and I think during a budget work session I presented to the board that we're also looking at existing homes buying an existing home and setting that up as a second transition home or even a primary transition home so we're exploring a few different options trying to take advantage of the arpa funding and trying to act with a sense of urgency as well because that home doesn't work as well as as well as we would like it to so we're trying to get that fixed up and trying to also expand our reach in this area because transitional housing as we just heard in the last presentation maybe the second last presentation wrap around housing recovering it's such an important topic and such an important need for our community we are trying to act with a.

Sense of urgency on this but the 3.7 million that's a new figure that we haven't been working with until just recently so we're trying to act and revise pivot and and go with information that we have now thank you and I'll just add because Dwayne and I did have a discussion about this last week but I would also encourage us to look at if we have this amount of money we can do a lot of different things and thinking about rfqs rfps related to people who are already doing this work in the community and I mean I'm thinking of of one provider in particular I won't name who you know has indicated that they have identified properties that they could expand their transition housing for justice involved residents you know if they could quickly buy them and so and I think also getting into this whole issue of the county maintaining and being responsible for a lot of properties that we are are having trouble maintaining and taking care of.

So also you know thinking about what what makes sense in terms of us T what do we want to take on versus are there other ways we can achieve the same goal letting someone else I mean making sure that we still have the designated spots for our for residents that we want to have control over but there are other ways we can we can really leverage this money so thank you follow up if I could so is the 3.7 now I'm a little confused is 3.7 million all for capital or is it also perhaps for programming costs no it it's all capital cost this would be the cost to basically renovate this facility to basically County standards there would be some upgrades in terms of sustainable initiatives and things like that but this is the latest number that we had in a to upgrade what we're looking at this building we're looking at how many people would it house seven it must be bigger than it looks or something correct yeah right.

Right now it has about it it houses six plus a program manager okay and so yep I just have to jump in that that right there does not if we have to upgrade this house to be led and you know all of the standards that we have for all of our that doesn't make sense I just I just have to say to spend $3.7 million for six people I I think we can come up with a better way I I'm just.

Yeah all right and so the next project is obviously the project Bill location which would be to upfit a 5,000 sqt unit in the shops at Hope Valley Shopping Center for use by project build and to have sort of a a youth space you know in addition to I guess seeing clients or the the violence interruptions and things that they that they do the space to the left the large meeting area is intended to be a flexible space that will have like ping pong tables you know gaming tables recreational type stuff that could be switched out you know you know maybe we could provide movie you know a large screen for viewing movies things like that that was the original program with the project Bill location and so right now we're at an estimate of about 1.5 that's all in and that's to renovate like I said the 5,000 ft unit inside shops at Hope Valley Shopping Center so we'll be bringing a design contract to you guys shortly.

So are there any questions about that one fire and EMS 19 this is the project obviously the city and the county it's another collocated station that will be at the intersection of Highway 54 and Davis Drive this will be on property that has been donated to the city to the city excuse me from Fidelity we're already in design on this one by I brought this to you just so you'll know that we are continuing our efforts to have as many collocated fire and EMS facilities as possible we have the team of ADW Architects and samit construction on the project I just you know we could highlight the fact that ADW Architects is the design team that did the Total Electric fire facility in Charlotte fire and station number 30 so I'm just highlighting that to sort of support our strong focus on sustainable initiatives so any questions about that project I put EMS operations up here because you guys remember there were three locations that are high priorities in terms of firing EMS collocations.

The biggest one we've heard from you is the Far East station that's will be the station that will provide public safety Service delivery to the folks out in East Duram up along the the highway 98 Corridor Olive Branch Kemp road everything that's happening there and so this station will actually be on Kemp Road the city owns property there and we've been working with their fire and their Capital facilities group to make sure we time this appropriately and that this will this is a high priority for both the city and the county the other two MLK is actually on the site where the city has their Public Service station down on MLK but then Duke West were just in the process of working with Duke to try to identify a site that will be suitable for this purpose so that's the reason I pull this one up emergency off Operation Center you guys heard before this project is a county Le project it's a city and county effort that will include a backup 911.

Call centers for both the police and the Sheriff's Office it will be cited at the existing EOC location up on Broad Street right behind the new youth home it's a total project budget of 53 million right now based on the current ilas the city is on the hook for 28 million and the county is has a balance of 24 and so behind the scenes we are working to make sure we get all of the cost allocations flushed out and other efforts we're already have a design team on board and we are moving forward with that project you guys know that what's driving this project is the need for the city to be out of lease space that they're in they're leasing space from Duke for their backup 911 Center and they have to be out by the end of December of 2026 and so it's going to be all Hands-On deck effort to make sure that this project continues to progress and so we can get this completed timely so any.

Questions this is a new issue that has surfaced and we want to bring it to your attention you guys remember we had the EMS Ambulatory Service repair facility that we were leasing out on Stone Park Court and the owner basically came to us earlier and said well you have to be out of here by January 2025 we heard later they had pushed that out to August 2025 which buys us a little time but we still need to be out of the space and plan to have a location for EMS Fleet ambulatory repair and so right now we're looking at the old Parkwood location and that's what this is a depiction of we're still waiting to get actual cost estimates and more information about the zoning requirements we may have to get like a special use permit or variance to modify the zoning up there to make sure that we can actually provide maintenance servic in that location but we're bringing this to you to put it on your radar.

Because this is a a hot and heavy issue the we've met routinely with Emergency Management and they don't have an alternative the city can't help us they don't have the capacity to to work on our vehicles and we've been having issues with sort of third-party maintenance and so we need to be moving expeditiously with this one but but again I take this opportunity to remind everyone that the this is what happens when we lease space at any point lease space could be taken out from under us and we are scrambling and so I just remind everyone of that at every opportunity I get is this a spacing capacity that the city has or staff capacity space it's it's both y it's it's really both they don't have the space to do it they they barely have enough to provide service for their own and then they're having the same challenge as we're having in terms of getting mechanics and things like that so could this be a potentially joint venture with the.

City we could certainly take a look at that but right now we got to focus on our needs and the urgency that we have cuz we we have nothing after August 2025 so and even if it's not with the city we're looking at it being a something joint internally with other needs we have for OES General Services possibly the sheriff's office but looking at having a Consolidated space for all of our maintenance needs so you mentioned the old Parkwood this is the old Parkwood fire station property is that who owns that the count the county does oh we own it so so since we own it why can't we turn this into a permanent that's what this that's what this depiction is oh okay cuz it says temporary on here well and the reason we put it as temporary and slides in the future have us talking about the comprehensive Fleet Maintenance facility for the county we're in the process of programming out a fullon comprehensive Fleet Maintenance facility for the county which was to.

Include Fleet Maintenance for all vehicles but since that project is a little on the costly side we feel it's probably going to get pushed out a ways and so this will supposed to be a a a stop Gap so to speak to sort of help us Bridge that so okay ultimately being that we own it yes it could be always used for this purpose but right now we we called it temporary because it was supposed to be a part of a bigger effort okay well I guess it would be interesting to see the pros and cons of of not having things be all in one place especially if we're going to put money into upfitting this you know that we maybe it would make sense to not have everything on in the same place I I also would be really curious to get yet as we look at get the as part of the CIP process I know we've done this in the past but a list of all the properties that the county owns.

Especially ones that are not being not being used right now like Parkwood and just thinking about how do we really utilize some of the pretty I mean that's a really valuable site how how do we think about some of the really valuable properties we have and Mo's going to kill me for saying this but where we currently have a lot of our vehicles stored on Dillard Street that's like Prime real estate in downtown D I know belongs to the railro belongs to the.

Railroad yeah I'm thinking about right next to behind DSS that building that's be I'm sorry behind Health and Human.

Services okay well even the building even the building site is very valuable property so anyway as we think big picture I know that's why I said Mo's going to kill me but even as we think about how do we pay for something some of these things and if we're going to relocate things you know what how do we think about that big picture. So no it's it's I don't think it's going to be 10 million it'll be more than 1 million yes ma'am yeah like I say we're waiting on the estimates the the deal is we basically have to demolish a portion of the building where you see the one two three Bays that portion of the building has to be demolished the structure has to be rebuilt because we have to actually raise the roof to get the ambulance vehicles in there and on a lift and so that's really the issue so obviously the renewable energy implementation our plan implementation you guys have heard this before we have just wrapped up the assessment.

That was done by HDR engineering staff is evaluating that assessment and we hope to come to you around October with the findings and our recommendations on how it will how it should be phased and what what is higher priorities but just keeping that on your radar as there's been so much talk about the renewable energy plan implementation so GL to see this and just really want to thank staff for you know taking this board's goals so seriously with in this area yes ma'am the triangle wastewater treatment plant admin 2 building that's another project that was in the 2020 CIP and it's going to be cited on the property the 40 acres that the county purchased years ago right across tww Alexander across from the existing triangle wastewater treatment plant this project is actually ready to go out to bid we're getting ready to pre-qualify contractors for this and probably around the same time that the Sheriff's training facility will roll out we'll be bringing a package to you for for this one as well.

So again this was the fleet maintenance facility that we had mentioned this was supposed to be the the new build on Junction Road cited along with the animal shelter again this project has a bu budget right now of 50 plus million again this was supposed to be a comprehensive Fleet Maintenance facility for the county and so we're in the process of sort of programming this out right now but yeah so any questions about this project I know we just sort of touched on it and sort of trying to figure out what to do with the EMS Fleet issue so and these are just other initiatives that we had been either working on or studies that will sort of help frame the CIP you know the snowhill project is underway and I think Claudia did you want to talk about that one in the forest main issue no we we'll bring something to the board shortly on this particular project it's vital to our continued economic development in the trey bur Park.

Area yeah okay finally we're moving ahead with the Lincoln Community Health Center parking lot expansion that project is underway we have WC Construction working on that along with surface 678 as the architect or our engineer of record we have not started the Lincoln Community Health Center predevelopment process we certainly can commissioner Jacobs that was one of the ones that you mentioned about taking a hard look at highest and best use for Lincoln and if you still want us to move ahead with that we can but just I think there's some things that have to be figured out with with Duke okay the county and Lincoln but I will say I was I was there Saturday morning and glad to see the parking lot underway but yeah I mean we have it's my understanding that Duke is going to pay for the coils to be repaired on the HVAC but you know that building is is very old it's the system that that HVAC system is 40 years old y so.

And yeah so there there are some I think there's some important things that need to get figured out as soon as possible yeah okay real quick the shops at Hope Valley DSS Main Street both of those projects are in what we call a predevelopment process where we're working with UNCC School of government's development Finance initiative to figure out basically I guess to establish some guiding principles for the project and so hopefully that may lead to some type of solicitation for development and really really outline what our long range vision is for the shops at Hope Valley and and DSs main the DSs Main Street Health Hazard mitigation project I've we've talked to the commissioners before about that that's basically to Abate the asvestas and remove the inventory the contents that were left in the building when we moved over to Human Services we want to make the safe excuse me the space safe for public service in case there is an issue with with the building we had a recent alarm which caused some concerns.

And so we're just trying to follow up on that orange factory Road campus Cent a feasibility study phase similar the Santi Road Park project it's in a sort of initial feasibility study phase the affordable housing policy we issued you guys white papers on that some time ago and we can certainly come back and dust that off and then obviously the Durham county public art program is ongoing with our 1% set as sides so that pretty much wraps it up for what we have and again will be coming back in September and October with a more detailed discussions about these so the only part I will add is that we will also invite our financial advisor to come and help us map out as the board gets closer to making decisions how we how we pay for this and in this climate the local government commission is making some additional steps involved with certain types of financing and timing wise we we just need to plan for how we move forward.

With that piece and of course affordability is always in the Forefront. Than you I know fol okay Wendy one quick question and then on since we have you know there are two projects that sounds like are going out to bid already the Sheriff maintenance facility and the triangle wastewater treatment plant are those the only two that are moving forward right now right the animal shelter is we're going out for an architect yep okay but in terms of construction yes it is the sheriff's training facility and the triangle Waste Water treatment PL okay so those are going out for bid and then the animal shelter is going out for yeah RFQ request for qualifications to get a design team on board so okay so those those are the things that are moving forward right away yes ma'am okay awesome and in the if you look online the the supplemental Di document will have Target dates so you'll see at the bottom of it October or September Etc so that'll help and we will be coming.

Back almost every work session so I have two questions one specific one General I'll start with the general one how does this information you presented to us today connect I guess to our current C the current approved CIP you know where we if we go online we can click on 50 different project and see the spending pattern over 10 years like will all the ones that are in that one roll over automatically will eliminate something so that's a great point and what the stage we're at now is refreshing that list so our hope is by November we have a refreshed CIP plan that integrates what you see in your budget document and as Perry said a comprehensive one happened about four years ago Plus these new items the biggest Challenge and opportunity is is the pricing and the cost of of construction that has changed and sequencing then becomes trickier but for the shovel ready shovel Readiness checklist we often really focus on those projects that are within the next four.

Or five years right CU once you get past that it's it's difficult but even in that in this climate trying to estimate cost can can be trickier and how do we factor in when we're looking at our financial modeling around what we can afford and how to finance all these projects how do we factor in the ones we haven't discussed today because they're DPS and they're dtcc that's a great point we we when we get to the October November time frame that's when we have everyone's information so as shared earlier we have in the plan close to a billion dollars for DPS right so the question is based on actual spending when do we need to plan to use those dollars which will determine what we can afford and and are we also thinking about Bond yes and so that's all in there so right now the plan does have a bond referendum in 2026 okay we know that DPS may have spending needs prior to that right so there's also some Liv.

Funny and David can correct me if if I'm wrong sounds good yes so so we it's a it is truly a living document and we tweak it almost every year with the project there we seen it happen right and so and we appreciate the board's support as we as we navigate those Waters so then my specific question is related to I guess our housing task force but also the discussion that's been in the community for a number of years really but came to a you know more of a crescendo within the past year around the comprehensive Services Center for for homeless for homeless Services and the request of us to provide some funding for pre-development reviews studies the same kinds of things we're doing on on all of our big capital projects so just wondering where that fits in do we need if we believe this community wants that needs that seems like like maybe we want to have a placeholder in our CIP for that somewhere just wondering what the.

Thought thinking is on all of that yes and I'll just say to your point about making sure we're listening to the the joint housing task force that's being convened and then also bringing this forward for discussion at a joint City County meeting because I think if we are going to have a placeholder I would ask that our city Partners also agreed to do the same I think that's really good I think we need a placeholder for it I'm feel very confident that the current emergency shelter is inadequate it's it's aging it's been lived in hard the numbers of people that need emergency shelter are growing and we need it in our CIP or or we need some plan for how we're going to fund a new one and so does the city so I just I'd be happier if I saw it in here you know as a possibility U rather than just something that we're continuing to talk about we'll follow up I know I've been outreached to by members of the urban.

Ministries board a lot I guess because i'm the member on hsac and I hear these discussions frequently and I really believe it's important and that has been a conversation for many years and so we'll follow up with the manager. You thank you all so. Much we have few more items to miss Deborah Craig Ray for our ncac legislative goals proposed items.

Good evening everyone I hope you're doing well I'm going to try to keep us moving forward as quickly as I can this is I can't believe we're already talking 2025 for our legislative work so this is really the first phase of two phases of legislative work we are now trying to provide your input with the North Carolina Association of County Commissioners legis ative process that process began a lot earlier this year than it has in normal years and I actually asked our department heads right as we were wrapping up the budget if they had any ideas for Statewide legislative issues and what I've included in your package is what I received so far but during this discussion I would like to have you to also suggest some legislative ideas that have statewide implication that you would want to approve hopefully by next Monday so that I can then input them into nccc's Portal so that we can make the deadline for discussion as you know there is a a couple of months.

Process where there's seven committees meet on all the subject matters and many of you have participated as I I have over the years in those convers ation and after they vet the many proposals that come through recommendations go forth for the legislative goals conference which this year is going to be held in November so that's really why we're here today I will also add that I will be asking department heads if they have just regular Durham County specific legislative ideas and I will bring that forward to you later but we wanted to go ahead and get this process moving so that's my introduction you commissioner Carter well Deborah thanks for doing this work and I know you've asked us to please submit goals and I'm thinking probably no one of us has yet since it's mostly staff our all staff goals that we see before us so thanks to staff for you know being on the ready and I haven't thought carefully about a goal for you I'm wondering what your opinion.

On this would be what do you have a sense for if there would be an appetite across counties that are part of the ncac for some sort of goal related to opportunity scholarships and some something something that would decrease the amount of money that goes towards that maybe rural areas would also be in support of I just don't know you know I won't to bring it up if it if you think it's going to just fall flat and mostly the education goals I bring up do just fall flat so you know everyone doesn't agree with us here in Durham as we all know so I I would love to see something around vouchers opportunity scholarships because of all the huge you know increase in state spending for that money that could be going and needs to be going to the public school so and that I think that's the point yeah that in this session there was the expectation that with the extra money that the state had that they were going.

To put more money towards those opportunity scholarships and then at the end of the day they really couldn't come into an agreement and so I think last week there was a group that came to Raleigh protesting the fact that they didn't get more and so I know that's going to again be a hot button issue in the new session so but in terms of well maybe we should just dig the heck in you know and and take a stand even though we know it won't probably go far with the ncac membership but you might be able to find a middle ground maybe so you can help that I would not discourage you from offering that okay all right maybe you could help me with that or help help maybe you could help us with that would others be interested I I was going to suggest that we actually Reach Out out directly to Durham public schools and ask their super the superintendent and the school board if what are is there any legislative goals that.

They would like us to promote Statewide and especially the superintendent she may have an idea of what would be strategic wording to things that may based on her experience of of that we could that we could try TR to effectively promote because so that I have I have actually a whole list of things but that was what I was thinking is that you know I know we have a deadline of next Monday but if we could reach out to them and see what would because I agree with you Heidi but I also want to be effective and strategic about it so and maybe they have I mean because there are other things too like you know the adequate pay for our our teachers and and School workers and having enough money for to repair and our schools and things like that and how do how do we couch that related to the other things that are taking money away from all of that I don't so I don't.

Know the best way to do that but I agree with you Heidi I think you warmed up the group to the lofty goals so I'll take it over I know I sound like a broken record every year with my priorities of you know obviously trying to get rid of preemptions here in North Carolina that's a tall order tall order I talk to our lobbyists about that one yeah but trying to see how much we can push at the ncac level because I feel like I've talked to some of the Republican County Commissioners and there does seem to be an appetite from them on some of the items like especially like Progressive property taxing as well as opening up private universities to be able to be have the power to attacks on the land there as well but also other areas of preemptions like providing being able to provide Broadband as a public utility more jurisdiction for us and the city to be able to have decision making around like land use Count's more power.

Use easy things Wendy yes I'll I'll remind last week's override was a bill that now related to housing that we cannot you no municip local governments cannot require landlords to take housing vouchers so we just that just got passed yeah I was so my suggestions were reaching out to Ellen Beckman and Doug plinsky from our no director about the wording for a legislative goal around and we've done this before around increasing funding flexibility for transportation something that would be that would be addressing rural and urban needs about having more transportation for local funding projects whether it's bike or pedestrian or Transit and also safety I think that's something I think that could be appealing to a lot of communities but I don't again I think that they would could have the best suggestion for language because we are still so lacking in adequate funing fing for for that and the other issue is that I was going to suggest reaching out to Linda Chappelle and also matal around adequate funding for child.

Care providers you know we we are really I think that's another Statewide issue that we could hopefully get some support for because right because they did that emergency funding that I guess will go until the end to kind of plant that to bring for the arpa money that ran out exactly so this is a Statewide crisis right now that we're really losing child care providers and this is directly tied towards people's ability to work and for our economy and the the North Carolina chamber has taken a position and the Durham chamber was one of the leaders on this they have a whole legislative goal the North Carolina chamber around child care so I think that some is something realistically we actually could really focus on and then of course we know about the value of the earned income child tax credit right and then the dur you know the things that the could help with our schools and the last thing was I don't know if we could do something around the ability to use.

All publicly owned land so that would be City County School owned land for Workforce housing MH and I think you got my report about how we faed this time I know so I again I don't know if there's but you know and even maybe our our lobbyists have some suggestions on you know them giving us some input on any of these goals and how to word them or strategy around it if they could help us that would I think that would be great thank you great ideas yeah so there's one that I'm I'm not we just got the $2 for transportation from the legislature I can't you know that'll be an interesting conversation to have offline with the association is to go back in again I mean it took us a long time to get we have we hadn't had an increase since the beginning and to go back there there again I don't know you know you would know more about how to position that but one of the.

Things that I hear from the Statewide Commissioners is they don't feel that it involves them the more rural yeah the rural communities are really struggling with how they get on board with Transit because so many of their counties are not involved there are some in the mountains that's taken a position around Transit and how they positioning their boards to to to be involved but it would be a good conversation to have with Kevin and some of the other board members to find out what are they hearing about that conversation I'm trying to think of what else I've been hearing I think the only other thing is there was a conversation around economic development but it it it's more about it was more about the companies so many of the companies Landing here in the Research Triangle Park how do we how do we come up with something that has that whole thing be spread out more because most of the companies are ended up in in Research Triangle Park I don't.

I don't know what the language would be so that the rural counties are feeling in in in included because we we can always get more bang for our buck with the general assembly when we can get the rural counties involved.

One last thing also another ly one but if we can push ncac I don't I know this one will be very farfetched but allowing public employees the right to organize all public employees in North Carolina.

Look at me hard about that I'm just laughing nothing hard about that one you're the easy one Hy yeah you can have that conversation this weekend and and I just want to call out Rod Jenkins I don't know if he's still here also toin both for submitting the goals and I totally support everything that they have submitted so thank you to them thank you I will email them thank you Deborah for all of your work advocating for us in this uphill battle so I would try to flush this out so that you can have it for Monday's meeting thank you thank you see not much time at.