City Council · Regular Meeting · February 3, 2025

AND WELCOME TO DURHAM CITY HALL. OKAY. GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT.

M. GREAT TO SEE EVERYONE IN HERE. WHOLE PORTION OF DURHAM IS HERE. UH, WE ALSO MAY HAVE SEEN A GROUP OF KIDS THAT JUST WALKED OUT; I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S GET THIS MEETING STARTED. MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU --

GIVE ME ONE SECOND, GUYS. LITTLE OU OF ORDER HERE. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE IN ORDER AND I WOULD LIKE US TO PAUSE FAR MOMENT OF SILENCE PLEASE FOR MANY REASONS.

THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO ASK MAYOR PRO TEM TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. IT'S OUR PRACTICE TO STAND AND SALUTE THE FLAG AS WE ENGAGE IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MADAM CLRK, WILL YOU

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. >> MAYOR WILLIAMS.

>> HERE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM MIDDLETON. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER.

>> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CABALLERO. >> HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER COOK AND FREEMAN FOR AWARD WITHED EXCUSED ABSENCES A AT THE LAST WORK SESSION.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER RIST. >> HERE. >> ALL RIGHT. CONGRATULATIONS TO THE AWARDS [LAUGHTER] .

ALL RIGHT, ANNOUNCEMENTS BY COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER, YOU'LL TAKE COUNCIL MEMBER COOK'S ROLE AND GO FIRST. >> THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD TO SEE THE CHAMBERS FULL.

THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. I'M SURE MANY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE HEADLINES SO I I WON'T REPEAT THEM, BUT I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE DIRE SITUATION IN OUR COUNTRY, OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY IS

UNDER THE INFLUENCE AND BEING RUN BY FASCISM IS A FAIR WORK AND OLOGARCHY IS A FAIR WORD. IN A NAION WHERE WEALTH AND E EQUALITY IS HIGHER THAN IT I HAS BEEN IN A VERY LONG TIME, WHERE WEALTH IS BEING HOARDED BY VERY FEW WHO ARE INFLUENCING UNPRECEDENTED LEVELS OF POWER WHERE WE HAVE MORE AND MORE UNHOUSED PEOPLE AND THE LARGEST GROUP OF UNHOUSED PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY IS PEOPLE WITH CHILDREN, FAMILIES, THAT'S THE LARGEST GROWING SEGMENT OF UNHOUSED PEOPLE. SUS UH TANABILITY STANDARDS BEING GUTTED, MINORITIES AND WORKERS BEING OPPRESSED MORE AND MORE ERE SINGLE DAY BEING FURTHER AND FURTHER EXPLOITED AND GUN VIOLENCE IS AS BAD AS EVER IN CITIES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY AND INCLUDING IN OUR

CITY AND SINCE LAST MEETING WE LOST MORE CITIZENS. WE HAD A TWO-YEAR-OLD WHO WAS SHOT IN DURHAM TODAY IN THE LEGGING, A TWO-YEAR-OLD. SO THINK ABOUT ALL OF THIS. SO THINKING ABOUT THE STATE OF OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND OUR STATE GOVERNMENT, IT DOES US NO GOOD TO WALLOW IN DESPAIR. WE NEED BE CLEAR HEADED, CALM, FOCUSEDED ON THE NECESSARY WORK THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO HERE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL AND ORGANIZE FOR HIGHER LEVELS OF CHANGE IN OUR STATE AND IN OUR COUNTRY, AND WE NEED TO USE HERE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, ALSO, EVERY LEVER OF POWER WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US TO MAKE THE LIVES OF OUR RESIDENTS BETTER. WE HAVE THE POWER OF THE PURSE T THE BUDGET, WE HAVE FEBRUARY 14TH, THAT'S FRIDAY, NEXT WEEK, THE FIRST RETREAT OF

CITY UH COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET, THE FIRST OF TWO. WE HAVE THE POWER OF ZONING WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT POWER, AND ONE THAT I THINK WE NEED TO USE IN A WAY THAT DEPARTS FROM THE STATUS QUO USING THE POWER OF ZONING TO PUSH FOR A MORE EQUITABLE, INCLUSIVE CITY WHERE PEOPLE CAN NAVIGATE OUR CITY IN MORE WAYS, WHERE WE LOSE FEWER RESIDENTS TO CR CRASHES. WE NEED TO USE THE POWER OF ZONING TO PROTECT AGAINST GENTRIFICATION AND PROTECT AGAINST ENVIRONMENTAL OBSTRUCTION. THEN WE HAVE THE BULLY PULPIT AND ABILITY TO SPEAK OUT.

WE CAN DO IT INDVIDUALLY, AND SOMETIMES ON THE ISSUES WE AGREE UPON WE CAN ALL DO IT TOGETHER. SO EVEN IN THIS DARK PERIOD, THE PEOPLE OF DURHAM SHOW THEIR RESILIENCE AND THAT GIVES ME OPTIMISM. THERE ARE COUNTLESS ACTS OF EMPATHY ACROSS THE COMMUNITY E THAT I SEE. TODAY IS A DAY WITHOUT

IMMIGRANTS, SO I WANT TO EXRESS MY SOLIDARITY WITH DURHAM'S IMUH GRANT POPULATION, MANY OF WHOM PARTICIPATED IN A DAY WITHOUT IMMIGRANTS AND MANY BUSINESSES CLOSED TODAY IN SOLIDARITY WITH OUR IMMIGRANT POPULATION AND THAT'S TO SHOW THE IMPORTANCE AND POWER OF IMMIGRANTS IN DURHAM PIP ALSO FIND OPTIMISM IN RU 1 AMAZON ORGANIZING FOR A UNION ELECTION FEBRUARY 10TH-15 AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLE THEY GO TO THIS POINT. IF THEY WIN, THEY'LL BE THE FIRST AMAZON WAREHOUSE ORGANIZED FOR A UNION IN THE SOUTH AND IN THE NATION. I'M OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THAT. PES SCHISM OF THE INTD ELECT AND OPTIMISM OF THE WILL. ALSO HAPPY BLACK HISTORY MONTH AND IN HONOR OF BLACK HISTORY MONTH I UH JUST WANT TO SHARE, FINALLY, A QUOTE FROM A VERY OWN

DURHAM'S REVEREND DR. PAULI MURRAY WHO SAID WHOEVER SMALL AND INSIGNIFICANT OUR CONTRIBUTION MAY SEEM IN THE FACE OF VAST HUMAN PROBLEMS BEYOND OUR POWER TO RESOLVE OUR TINY GIFT CAN BE MULTIPLIED IN MANY WAYS, WE WOULD HAVE DREAMED POSSIBLE. I LOOK FORWARD TO PRODUCTIVE MEETING. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. [APPLAUSE] COUNCIL MEMBER CABALLERO. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

GOOD TO SEE A PACKED HOUSE. DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE TO ADD. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK AMONGST ALL THE TERRIBLE NEWS THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING AND THAT IS PARTLY THE POINT, THE POINT IS TO BE OVERWHELMED AND INUNDATED SO THAT YOU DO NOT FEEL LIKE YOU A CHOICE, UM, AND IN A DEMOCK IS IS I UH THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS, SO, UM, I WANT TO LIFT UP OUR REFUGEE

RESETTLEMENT ORGANIZATIONS. I THINK LOST IN ALL OF THIS IS THE MEDIATE FUNDING OUR RESETTLEMENT ORGANIZATIONS HAVE FACED. WHEN WE WERE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE FEDERAL DOLLAR THAT WERE SUSPENDED AND THEN MAYBE BROUGHT BACK THE DOLLARS TO OUR RESETMENT ORGANIZATION FOR CUT THE PRIOR WEEK. WE HAVE TWO RESETTLEMENT ORGANIZATIONS, LONG STANDING COMMUNITY PARTNERS OF THIS CITY.

MOST OF CHURCH WORLD SERVICES STAFF HAS BEEN FURLOUGHED. THE RECENTLY-ARRIVED REFEW UH GEES HAVE NO FUNDING OR SUPPORT AND THESE ARE FOLKS WHO JUST SHOWED UP IN THE LAST 90 DAS SO THEY'RE FOLKS WHO ALREADY LOST THEIR HOME ONCE AND NOW ARE FACING REALLY AN INSECURE MOMENT IN THIS DOWN O TRI SO I DO ASK FOR ALL RESIDENTS HERE TODAY TO PLEASE PAY ATTENTION WHEN YOU SEE THE CALL OUT FR THESE ORGANIZATIONS. THEY'RE GOING TO NEED A LOT OF SUPPORT. A LOT OF NON-O PROFITS ARE GOING TO NEED A LOT OF SUPPORT IN

THESE NEXT FEW WEEKS, MONTHS, DAYS. I THINK DURHAM DID AN EXXEFRP RI JOB COMING TOGETHER AND OFFERING MUTUAL AID FOR NEIGHBORS, FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS SO WE HAVE THAT MUSCLE MEMORY DURING TRUMP ONE DURHAM STOOD UP FOR NEIGHBORS AND PARTICIPATED AND PARTICIPATED IN TRAININGS ON ICE WATCH AND WENT OUT IN COMMUNITIES AND HELPED KEEP NEIGHBORS SAFE. SO I THINK MY CALL OUT TONIGHT IS FOR YOU ALL, FOR FOLKS IN THIS ROOM, TO TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS IF YOU HAVE IMMIGRATION STATUS PRIVILEGE MEANING YOU HAVE PAPERS, THEN PLASE THINK ABOUT YOUR DURHAM NEIGHBORS THAT DON'T AND THINK ABOUT WAYS YOU CAN PROTECT THOSE KIDS AND FAMILIES I THINK THAT AGAIN WE HAVE M, UH MUSCLE MEMORY IN THIS CITY. WE KNOW HOW TO TAKE CARE O OF

ONE ANOTHER AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING THE TAKE MOVING FORWARD. UM, I WILL NT -- I'M LIKE MY COLLEAGUE, I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FIGHTERS, BUT THERE'S MANY COUNTRIES IN THIS WORLD WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED WHAT WE ARE NOT EVEN BEGINNING TO EXPERIENCE. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN HERE, UM, AND SO, I ASK ALL OF Y'ALL TO LOOK TO THOSE FOLKS WHO HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES, SHARED THEIR EXPERIENCES, AND GROUPS IN THIS COUNTRY UH THAT HAVE HA THOSE EXPERIENCES. WE'VE FORGOTTEN OUR HISTORY IN THIS COUNTRY.

S. SO THERE'S A LOT OF PEPLE -- POETS, WRITERS, PEOPLE WHO TALK ABOUT CULTURE IN THE WORLD -- SO I HOPE DURHAM LEANS INTO THAT AND LEAN INTO THE FOLKS WHO INSPIRE YOU BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TAKE. WE'RE GOING NEED INSPIRATION ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

UM, SO, THANK YOU ALL. I BELIEVE IN US. [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER RIST.

>> THANK YOU. FOLKS, GREAT TO SEE PEOPLE IN THE HALL TODAY. JUST A COUPLE THINGS. HAPPY BLACK HISTORY MONTH, FIRST OF ALL.

ALSO WANT TO PICK UP ON THE IMMIGRANT SEAM AND GIVE SHOUT OUT TO ASIAN AMERICAN FOR SHARING LUNAR CELEBRATION LAST THURSDAY. COUNCIL MEMBER CABALLERO, MAYOR PRO TEM, AND MAYOR WERE ALL THERE AT THE CELEBRATION. IT'S ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT AT THIS TIME OF YEAR OR THIS TIME IN OUR COUNTRY TO RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE OUR IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES. I WANT TO LET THE ASIAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY ENO YOU'RE SUCH A BIG PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. YOU'RE KIT CALL PART OF OUR FABRIC RAZZ ALL IMMIGRANTS.

THANKS FOR THE ASIAN AMERICAN ALLIANCE. THE NEXT THING I ANT TO SAY IS THAT, UM, BIG SATURDAY THE LAST SATURDAY IN JANUARY, UM, THINKING ABOUT CONNECTIVITY AND OUTDOOR ACTIVITY, A BUNCH OF CYCLISTS ASKED ME TO DO RIDE AROUND. WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD BIKE ROUTES AND WE'RE EXPANDING THOSE. D.

HILL WHERE TRANSPORTATION WERE ORGANIZING A SESSION. FOLKS THERE, ENGAGED. IF YOU'VE INTERESTED IN INPUTTING ON PHASE II, YOU CAN PROVIDE INPUT ON THOSE BIKE ROUTES TO GIVE US SAFE WAYS TO GET ACROSS THE CITY. THAT'S A BIG EFFORT TO EXPAND THOSE AND HOPE YOU REACH OUT FOR THAT SUR SPRAP LATER THAT DAY WE HAD GREAT HISTORY LESSON.

DURHAM PUBLIC HIGH PRAYER DID A HISTORY DISCUSSION. IN 1986, THEN MAYOR ISSUED PROCLAMATION DESIGNATED ANTIDISCRIMINATION IN DURHAM AND ENDORSING ANNUAL PRIDE MARCH AND FACED A RECALL POSITION IN 86. THAT WAS UNSUCCESSFUL, A BUNCH OF CHURCHES SUPPORT THE MAYOR BUT THAT'S A BIG STAND DURHAM TOOK IN 1986 WITH CHURCHES AND L GHSHGS BT GROUP TO PROMOTE DURHAM THAT WE PROMOTE ANTIDISCRIMINATION AND MAKE ROOM FOR ALL PEOPLE. YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND SEE MORE ABOUT THAT 1986 RECALL FIGHT. MAYOR GULLY WAS THERE, FORMER MAYOR SCHEWEL ALONG WITH OTHER

DI I WANT TO THANK HOUSING FOR NEW UH HOPE. THEY ORGANIZED ANNUAL POINT IN TIME COUNT THAT WAS LAST MONDAY A WEEK AGO MONDAY. ANNUAL EFFORT TO COUNT OUR UNHOUSED POPULATION IN DURHAM. IMPORTANT EFFORT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE DAY I TA THAT SHOWS WHO'S UNHOUSED AND MAKE YOUR WE ACCESS FEDERAL FUNDS AND HUMBLE WAY TO GO OUT AND ACTUALLY ARE TALKING TO FOLKS, ENGAGING THEM DURING THE SURVEY BUT UNDERSTANDING THE HUMBLING NATURE OF WHAT IT'S LIKE TO LIVE OUTSIDE.

SO I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES ON THE COUNCIL THAT WERE PART. IT'S IMPORTANT REMINDER THAT WE HAVE ANYWHERE FROM 50-100 PEOPLE EVERY NIGHT THAT DON'T HAVE FLOOM SHELTER AND ARE UNHOUSED. CRITICAL ISSUE. HOUSING PEOPLE DURHAM IS CRITICAL ISSUE FROM HOUSING THE FOLKS WITH LEAST ICOME TO EVEN WORKFORCE HOUSING. WE NEED MORE HOUSING IN DURHAM.

RESIDENTS HAVE TOLD US HOUSING IS JOB ONE IN DURHAM. WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IN DURHAM HAS A PLACE TO LIVE. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING TO EVERYONE.

I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER FOR MENTIONING A BABY THAT WAS SHOT IN OUR CITY TODAY, AND FOR REMINDING US OF THE MENU OF OPTIONS WE HAVE AT OUR DISPOSAL. WE DO HAVE CONSIDERABLE POWER NOT ONLY TO ZONE BUT TO SPEND MONEY AND MAKE POLICY UH IN MANY AREAS ACROSS OUR CITY. WE CAN AUGMENT AND WE CAN DIMINISH THINGS AS WELL IN ADDITION TO ZONING CASES AND I HOPE THAT THIS GOVERNMENT WILL CONTINUE TO BRING ALL OF OUR ENG

NEW UHTY AND CREATIVITY, ALL OF THE POWERS AT OUR DISPOSAL TO DEAL WITH THIS SCOURGE ON OUR CITY. THE GREATNESS OF OUR CITY WILL NOT BE MEASURED BY THE HEIGHT OF OUR BUILDINGS OR WHAT'S PLAYING AT DPAC OR HW GREAT OUR RESTAURANTS ARE, WE'RE MEASURED BY HOW SAFE ARE OUR MOST VULNERABLE. THANK GOD THE CHILD IS STILL ALIVE BUT VERY MUCH AFFECTED FOR THE REST OF THEIR YOUNG LIFE. SO OUR HEART BEAT NAR FO FAMILY TONIGHT.

C. AND PHILADELPHIA. SOME OF US HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH COLLEAGUES IN THOSE CITIES. WHAT A TOUGH WEEK WE'VE HAD AND WE'RE PRAYING FOR THIS LIGHT AND LOVE AND RESILIENCY IN THE FACE OF THESE DEVASTATING PLANE CRASHES WE HAVE SUFFERED AS A NATION, PARTICULARLY I THOSE

COMMUNITIES THAT I NAMED, SO WE SEND FROM DURHAM TO THOSE CITIES TO OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS IN THOSE CITIES OUR LOVE AND OUR STRENGTH THIS EVENING. I DO WANT TO ALSO THANK THIS EVENING MEMBERS OF THE DURHAM POLICE DEPARTMENT. A FEW OF US, WE HAD A AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO OVER TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND VISIT WITH OUR BRILLIANT PEOPLE IN FORENSIC'S DEPARTMENT. GOT VISIT WITH PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE AS WELL.

I DID DO THE BALLISTICS FIRING. THEY SAID THEY'RE ALREADY DONE WITH THE REPAIRED THAT YOU CAUSED LAST TIME YOU DID IT OVER THERE IN THE BUILDING, BUT I WANT TO THANK THE MEN AND WOMEN O OF OUR INCREDIBLE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE WORK THEY DO. MUCH O OF IT UNHERALDED, MUCH DOESN'T MAKE NEWS BUT CRITICAL WORK 24/7. FINALLY TONIGHT I WANT TO THANK

COLLEAGUES FOR ACKNOWLEDGING BLACK HISTORY MONTH. YOU'VE SPOKEN ELOQUENTLY TO THE CHALLENGING TIMES WE ARE. THE POET ROAD THESE WORDS THAT MAKE UP UH THE SECOND STANZA OF WHAT'S THE NEGRO NATIONAL ANTHEM. STOW ANY THE ROAD WE TROD, BIT OF THE CHASENNING ROD,...

HOPE UNBORN HAD DIED YET WITH THE STEAD DAY FEET HAVE NOT OUR WEARY FEET COME TO THE PLACE FOR WHICH OUR FATHERS SIGHED. WE HAVE COME OVER A WAY THAT WITH TAERS HAS BEEN WATEREDED. WE HAVE COME TREADING OUR PATH THROUGH THE BLOOD OF THE SLAUGHTERED. OUT FROM THE GLOOM MY PAST 'TIL NOW WE STAND AT LAST WHERE THE WHITE GLEAM OF OUR STAR IS CAST.

THANK Y'ALL. GOD BLESS DURHAM. [APPLAUSE] >> WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU, COLLEAGUES FOR YOUR

COMMENTS. UM, THROUGHOUT MY NOTES, EACH OF YOU HAVE MENTIONED JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING I HAD IN MY NOTES SO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT. IT HAS BEEN A TOUGH WEEK AND ONE THING WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS OF AS PUBLIC SERVANTS IS CARRYING THE WEIGHT - I MEAN WE'RE THE LEADERS OF THIS CITY WEIGHT OF WHAT -- THE NEWS THE STORIES, YOU SEE THE NEWS STORY, WE GET ALL OF THE DETAILS AND IT'S MULTIPLE THINGS EVEN NOT REPORTED AN IT'S A LOT. I SPEND MY TIME VISITING WITH MOTHERS WHO'VE LOST CHILDREN TO LOVED ONES WHO HAVE BEEN LOST JUST SO KI BE PRESENT WITH THEM. -- I CAN BE PRESENT WITH THEM. SO I WANT TO START OUT BY WISHING THE FAMILY OF REBECCA LOBOC, SHE WAS THE THIRD.

C. I RELEASED A STATEMENT ON HER BEHALF AD CONNECTED WITH HER FAMILY TODAY AND WE'LL SPEND SOME TIME WITH HER, GO AND MEET HER FATHER AS WEL WHO LIVES HERE. UM, I START TALKING ABOUT THIS JOB HOW HEAVY IT IS SIMPLY BECAUSE, UH, THE WAY I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT IS RIGHT NOW UH, YOU KNOW, REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER, EVERY REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT I TALK TO HAVE THE SAME RESPONSE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON RIGHT NOW BUT IT FEELINGS LIKE WE'RE HOLDING ON TO A RAIL IN THE MIDDLE OF A TORNADO.

L FUNDING IS GOING MY SISTER RUNS AN ORPHANAGE IN ZIMBABWE. THEY WERE AN AWARDEE. THAT A AMBASSADORS BEEN LEFT GO OR POSITION FROZEN AND FUNDING STOPPED FOR THE YOUNG GIRLS THEY WERE WORKING WITH. IT'S A REAL ISSUE OUT HERE AND, UM, WHAT I CAN SAY IS I THINK A LOT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW -- THIS ISN'T POLITICAL, WELL IT IS BUT IT'S THE NOT PARTISAN. A LOT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IS TO BE A DISTRACTION AND AS YOUR LEADER OF THIS CITY, I SAY TO YOU, HOLD ON, DON'T RESPOND

EMOTIONALLY. PEACE, BE STILL. HOLD ON. AND WHEN THE DUST SETTLES, WE CLEAR OUR EYES, WE GRAB OUR NEIGHBOR'S HAND AGAIN, AND WE KEEP HOLDING ON, BUT TAT IS HOW WE'RE GONG TAKE CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY BY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF WHAT WE CA CONTROL AND THAT'S HOW WE TREAT ONE ANOTHER.

THAT'S HOW -- WE TAKE CARE OF ONE ANOTHER BY LOOKING INWARD TO ONE ANOTHER RATHER THAN UPWARD AND SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL, WE LOOK AT OUR NEIGHBORS, GE TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE, AND YOU SEE YOU JUST SIMPLY ASK, WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU UH? WHAT CAN I DO TO YOUR DAY BETTER. YOU'D BE AMAZED AT HOW MUCH BETTER YOU FEEL TO BE SELF-LESS FOR SOMEONE WHO'S FI SHANETTA YOU CAN CONTROL -- VICINITY YOU CAN CONTROL. C. RIGHT

NOW, I'M WORRIED ABOUT DURHAM. WE ALMOST LOST A BABY TODAY ARK TWO-YEAR-OLD. EVEN WHEN W GET DETAILS IT'LL BE LIMITED FOR HOW MUCH WE SHARE FOR THE SAKE OF A CHILD. BUT I THINK IT GOES BACK TO TAKING CARE OF ONE ANOTHER.

WHEN WE ARE WORKING THROUGH POLICY ON THIS DAIS, AND OTHER GOVERNING BODIES, THERE IS A LOT THAT WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT. THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT. THESE ARE PROBABLY THE MOST CARDS I'VE EVER HAD SIGN UP FOR SPEAKERS, BUT OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, NO MATTER WHAT, HAS TO BE THAT TWO-YEAR-OLD CHILD. 'CUZ WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LAND USE TONIGHT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S LAND LATER FOR THAT TWO-YEAR-OLD CHILD TO USE.

SO AS WE COME TOGETHER, THANK ABOUT THAT TWO-YEAR-OLD BABY AND THE ENVIRONMENT THAT THEY'RE GROWING UP IN, AND I'M NOT AFRAID TO SAY UH I CARE ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. THAT'S WHY I SPEND SO MUCH ANYTIME OUR SCHOOLS. AND THAT'S WHY, WE STILL GET FOLKS THAT JUST LIKE US AS WELL BECAUSE WE'RE POLITICIANS, I DON'T CARE. WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS THAT TWO-YEAR-OLD CHILD.

NO DISTRACTIONS, I LOOK INWARD, I LOOK TO YOU, AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TAKE CARE OF DURHAM. EVERYBODY GOT THAT? IF YOU'RE ONLINE WATCHING PUT A THUMBS UP. IF YOU'RE IN CHAMBERS, IF YOU GOT IT, PUT A THUMBS UP.

OKAY. GOT YOUR COMMITMENT NOW. LOOK INWARD. I WANT TO GIVE A QUIT SHOUT OUT TO MOOREHEAD MONTESSORI. I SPENT BLACK HISTORY MONTH

READING TO MOOREHEAD MONTESSORI. AND THEY MADE ME A LITTLE GIFT AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ACCEPT GIFT BUT I'M GOING TO CHALLENGE YOU ON THIS ONE BECAUSE THEY MADE ME A BOOKMARKENED SO MOORHEAD MONTESSORI STUDENTS IF YOU'RE WATCHING, MAYOR WILLIAMS IS APPRECIATIVE OF THIS SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GOING USE IT AND I MIGHT EVEN USE IT TONIGHT WITH ALL THESE SPEAKER CARDS I HAVE. COUNCIL MEMBER RIST HAS ON A SCARF THAT I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO PUT THESE PICTURES ONLINE, WE HAD A LITTLE TOO MUCH FUN WITH OUR ASIAN COMMUNITY AT THE LUNAR NEW YEAR GALA A, BUT THEY GAVE US THOSE SCARVES THERE WHICH IS COOL. I LOVE THE DIVERSITY OF THIS CITY AND LOVE OUTWEIGHS HATE AND DURHAM IS DOPE. WITH THAT BEING SAID I'M GOING STOP TALKING SO WE CAN GET

THROUGH CONSENT AGENDA. AND I AM GOING TO PASS IT TO PRIORITY ITEMS IN JUST A SECOND. BUT I'M GOING DO THIS NOW, I WAS GOING WAIT. SHOULD I WAIT?

OKAY. I'M GOING TO WAIT WHEN A LAWYER SAYS YOU WAIT, YOU MIGHT WANT TO WAIT. SO, COOL. I'LL PASS IT OVER TO THE MANAGER FOR PRIORITY ITEMS.

>> GOOD EVENING. CITY MANAGER HAS ONE PRIORITY ITEM THIS EVENING ON 8 8. CONTRACT FOR SITE EVALUATION AND IDENTIFICATION FOR THE ALGAL FLOWAY PROJECT AND PRESENTATION. OFFICIAL INFORMATION HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE P PACKET.

THOSE ARE ALL. >> ALL RIGHT. I THINK IT'S BEEN PULLED AS WELL. MADAM ATTORNEY. >> GOOD EVENING. CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS N PRIORITY ITEMS.

>> I LOVE IT. CLERK AND MANAGER, FINE, YOU, NO. MADAM CLERK. >> NO ITEMS THIS EVENING.

>> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. M. IS THE STATE OF THE CITY AT CAROLINA THEATER.

IF YOU'RE NOT THERE, I WILL SUE YOU -- THAT IS A JOKE TAKEN OFF THE RECORD, SCRATCH THE RECORD THAT IS A JOKE. , CAROLINA THEATER. ALSO, IT WAS JUST AFOUNSED FEBRUARY 14TH, FEDEX DUKE HAS ANNOUNCED SPEAKERS AND YOUR MAYOR WILL BE ONE OF THEM SO I'M EXCITED TO HANG OUT WITH STUDENTS OF DUKE UNIVERSITY. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GET THROUGH THIS.

THIS IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. 1. DURHAM WORKERS' RIGHTS COMMISSION - APPPOINTMENTS. 2.

HOUSING APPEALS BOARD - APPOINTMENT. 3. APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL MINUTES. 4.

AUDIT SERVICES OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE (ASOC) CALENDAR YEAR 2024 ANNUAL REPORT. 5. FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF DURHAM AND THE COUNTY OF DURHAM TO CONTRACT FOR A JOINT COMMUNICATIONS PLAN. GLADDED TO GET THAT.

THANK YOU, GUYS. 6. FY25 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN (CIP) PROJECT CLOSE OUT. 7.

AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF DURHAM POLICE AND FIRE COMPENSATION PLANS. 8 HAS BEEN PULLED. 8. CONTRACT FOR SITE EVALUATION AND IDENTIFICATION FOR THE ALGAL FLOWAY PROJECT AND PRESENTATION.

9. CLOSING THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDING FOR THE WESTERN INTAKE PARTNERSHIP PROJECTS. 14. S TO RECONCILE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANTS (CDBG), EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT (ESG), HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PERSONS WITH AIDS (HOPWA) ALLOCATIONS.

THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR GENERAL BUSINESS ITEMS,: 11. ZONING MAP CHANGE - PICKETT APARTMENTS. 12. CONSOLIDATED ANNEXATION - 2613 CARPENTER ROAD.

13. CONSOLIDATED ANNEXATION - MORIAH RIDGE. THAT'S OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER 8.

ALL RIGHT. >> MOVE TO ADOPT CONSENT AGENDA WITH EXCEPTION OF NUMBER 8. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE

VOTE. PLEASE CLOSE VOTE. >> MOTION PASSES 5-0. >> THANK YOU.

I ALSO FAILED TO MAKE A REALLY IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT. MANY O OF YOU ALL KNOW WE LAUNCHED BULL CITY FUTURE FUND WHICH IS A FUND FOR PEOPLE TO DONATE TO THAT DIRECTLY BENEFITS AND INVESTS BACK TO THE YOUTH OF THIS CITY. UM, THERE WERE PROBABLY ABOUT 30-40 YOUNG PEOPLE THAT CAME HERE EARLIER AND THY LEFT. COM. THE APPLICATIONS OPEN TODAY.

WE THUS FAR HAVE RAISED $365,000 AND THE GOAL IS TO RAISE AT LEAST A MILLION DOLLARS TO INVEST DIRECTLY WITH NO RED TAPE BACK INTO THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE DOING THE AMAZING LIFE SAVING YOUTH IMPACT FOR WORK. COM AND HAVE THEM TO APPLY. AND I ALSO INVITE YOU ALL TO DONATE TO IT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. OKAY, RIGHT HERE. WE WILL NOW NORMALLY GO DIRECTLY TO OUR GENERAL BUSINESS AGENDA AND THEN OUR PULLED ITEMS HELD AT THE END, HOWEVER, I HAVE 81

CARDS FOR THE GBA AND TWO FO THE PULLED ITEM SO I'M GOING TO REVERSE THIS AND HAVE THOSE PULLED ITEM NUMBER 8 SPEAK FIRST. SO... ROBIN BAREFOOT AND PAM ANDREWS. WELCOME.

YOU EACH HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> GOOD EVENING. PAMELA ANDREWS, WAKE FOREST HIGHWAY. I ASKED TONIGHT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ALGAE FLOWWAY SCRUBBER BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN STUDYING THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND IT WAS PASSED THIS DOCUMENT JANUARY 2021, WHERE THEY IDENTIFIED 35 SITES THAT WERE POTENTIAL SITES TO PUT THIS ALGAE FLOWWAY SCRUBBER AND

NARROWED IT DOWN TO 12. WILL THIS BECOME NULL AND VOID AND DISCARD THIS AND START ALL OVER AGAIN. I DID NOT GET TO HEAR THE ITEM AT THE WORK SESSION. SO I'M INTEREST IN TIME, THAT'S MY MAIN QUESTION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD. MS. BAREFOOT DO YOU SPEAK TO THE SAME MANER?

>> ROBIN BEARFOOT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ALGAE STRUBERS ARE NOT DESIGNED FOR STATES TAT ARE AS FAR NORTH AS NORTH CAROLINA THAT THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR FLORIDA AND PLACES WITH MORE SUNSHINE AND HIGH TEMPS. I'M WONDERING WHY I'S A TECHNOLOGY WE'RE GOING USE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

STAFF, WOULD YOU RESPOND? >> YES. >> SORRY FOR CALLING YOU STAFF. >> JONATHAN BAKER, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. SO THE ANSWER THE FIRST

QUESTION, WE ARE GOING TO BE USING THAT STUDY TO RELOOK AT SITES. UM, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING IN THE CITY OF DURHAM AND IN DURHAM COUNTY WITHIN THE FALLS LAKE WATERSHED, SO, WE WILL BE BUILDING ON THAT LAST REPORT AND STUDY THAT WAS DONE TO NARROW DOWN SITES. SO WE'LL LOOK AT THOSE SITES AND ALSO NEWER SITES WITHIN CITY AND COUNTY LIMITS. >> THANK YO.

>> DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? OKAY. THEN THE SECOND QUESTION: SO IN 2017, WE COMPLETED A PILOT STUDY, UM, OF AN ALGAL FLOWWAY ADJACENT TO FALLS LAKE AND IT WAS PROMISING RESULTS. IT SHOWED IT WAS E EFFECTIVE THE AT REMOVING NITROGEN AND PHOSPHORUS IN DURAM, SO, WE HAVE DECIDED BASED ON THAT

ACTUAL DATA TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY. >> THANK YOU. >> AND THERE'S -- THAT PILOT STUDY REPORT IS ONLINE ON OUR ALGAL FLO WAY WE SITE. >> THANK YOU.

I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING AS WELL THAT WHAT WE COUNTENANCED AT OUR WORK SESSION WAS NOT A COMMIT TO BUILD. IT WAS SIMPLY O TO GO OUT AND FIND A POTENTIAL SITE SO THERE WILL BE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REVISIT THIS. THIS IS TO GO OUT AND LOOK FAR SITE THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AND DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO GET THE REAL ESTATE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT SO PUBLIC WILL HAVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO -- YEAH. SO COLLEAGUES, AT THIS TIME, AUTHORIZE THE CITY UH MANAGER TO EXECUTE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT WITH GRANT YANT PLLC FOR SITE EVALUATION AND IDENTIFY EQUATION FOR THE ALGAL FLO WAY PROJECT IN DURHAM DOWN ANY AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCESS $1,046,376. >> MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE VOTE. PLEASE CLOSE.

>> MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >> THANK YOU. I ALSO ENTERTAIN A NOTION ESTABLISH A CONTINUE IS I FUND FOR THE CONTRACT IN THE AMOUNT OF $156,954. >> MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> MOVED AND SECONDED. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE

VOTE. PLEASE CLOSE THE VOTE. >> MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >> LASTLY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO E NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE I AMENDMENTS TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT PROVIDEDED THAT THE TOTAL CONTRACT AMOUNT INCLUDING EXISTING CONTINGENCY FUNDS DOES NOT EXCEED 1 MILLION 2 HUNDRED 3 THOUSAND 3 HUNDRED 32 DOLLARS.

MOVED. >> SECONDED. >> MOVED AND SECONDED. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE VOTE.

CLOSE VOTE. >> MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >> ALL RIGHT. COLLEAGUES SO I'M GOING TO GO OUT O OF ORDER A BIT. I'M GOING TO USE MY PRIVILEGES A BIT TONIGHT.

ITEM 12 TO GO FIRST. WE HAVE THE STAFF, THERE WE GO. SORRY ABOUT THAT. GIVING YOU A LITTLE TIME TO GET PREPARED.

>> GOT TO MIX MY WORDS UP A BIT HERE BUT THAT'S OKAY. >> MAYOR WILLIAMS, MAYOR PRO TEM MIDDLETON, AND HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS, GOOD EVENING. I AM PEYTON BURGESS WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT. BEFORE I BEGIN, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT ALL PLANNING DEPARTMENT HEARING ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADVERTISED AND NOTICED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE AND LOCAL LAW AND AFFIDAVIT ARE ON FILE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

A REQUEST FOR A UTILITY EXTENSION AGREEMENT, VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AND INITIAL ZONING MAP CHANGE HAS BEEN RECEIVED FROM THOMAS H. 29 ACRES AND LOCATED AT 2613 CARPENTER ROAD. THIS ANNEXATION PETITION IS FOR A CONTIGUOUS EXPANSION OF THE PRIMARY CORPORATE LIMITS. THE CURRENT ZONING IS RESIDENTIAL RURAL.

587 WITH A TEXTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ALLOW UP TO 98 TOWNHOUSE UNITS. 587 ZONING IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE PLACE TYPE MAP DESIGNATIONS. PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY 9-1. THANK YOU.

STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. COLLEAGUES RSHG THERE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR OBSERVATIONS FOR STAFF?

ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, I WILL DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, AND I'M HOPING THE APPLICANT IS READY. SORRY FOR THROWING YOU OUT OF ORDER. HOW MUCH TIME DO UH YOU NEED TONIGHT?

>> NOT MUCH TIME AT ALL, I MAN IT'S MAINLY JUST TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. WE WORKED WITH STAFF AND AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ADD CONDITIONS. THIS IS 98 UNIT TOWNHOME COMMUNITY TWI WITH 5% SET ASIDE. GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WILL NOW CALL UP MY SPEAKERS THAT I HAVE SIGNED UP AND

BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT MANY, I'M GOING TO CALL ALL OF YOU TO LINE UP. TAMMY SEWAYA, PAM WILLIAMS, WANDA ALLEN, PAM ANDREWS, AND KATE LYNN ROSS. SORRY, KATHERINE ROSS. WELCOME.

DO WE HAVE ANY ONLNE? >> WE HAVE A POWERPOINT. UH I THINK IT'S THIS ONE. IN CASE THEY'RE WATCHING, SHOUT OUT TO THE SCHOOL OF CREATIVE STUDY WHO IS CAME IN THIS MORNING AS WEL, AND THEY WERE REALLY INQUISITIVE ABOUT WHAT THESE SCREENS ARE ABOUT.

IF Y'ALL ARE WATCHING THIS IS WHEN THERE'S A PRESENTATION, WE CAN USE THOSE BIG SCREENS OR LOOK IN FRONT OF US. THANKS FOR COMING TO CITY HALL TONIGHT. >> TAMMY SWAYA BAPTIST ROAD. TODAY I WANT TO POINT OUT THINGS ABOUT TIS ANNEXATION THAT YOU ARE COMPLETELY INFORMED BEFORE YOU VOTE ON TIS ANNEXATION. I WANT TO POINT OUT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY 48 WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE VARIETY OF HOUSES IN UH NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT ALLOW FOR MIXED AGE GROUPS. THIS IS ONLY 98 TOWNHOMES AND I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT GRIFFIN PLACE WHICH IS CLOSE, WHICH IS IN CIRCLE ABOVE, THAT WILL HAVE 294 TOWNHOMES, UM, THE CARPENTER FALLS WILL HAVE 65 TOWNHOMES, AND IT'S STILL BEING BUILT OUT, AND THEN YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT'S NOT FAR FROM THIS PLACE WHICH ALSO HAS BIOLOGICAL,

UM, ENTITY THERE AS WELL. I UH JUST WANT TO ASK, WHAT'S THE PRICE POINT? ONLY FIVE TOWN HOMES WOULD BE 5% AFFORDABLE AS YOU SAID MAYOR WILLIAMS, IS THIS WHAT WE NEED? WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IS THIS IS BEST PLAN FOR THIS ANNEXATION? IT NOTES THAT THIS AREA DISADVANTAGE BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE SO WHAT NEED OF WHAT WE NEED FOR DURHAM IN THIS AREA? AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT HERE YOU'VE GOT SIMPLE eSEVERAL ANNEXATIONS, SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS ALREADY BEING APPROVED, AND YOU'RE JUST BUILDING ON AND BUILDING ON TO IT. IS THAT WHAT THE CITIZENS NEED IN THIS AREA?

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I WON'T BOTHER RECALLING YOUR NAMES I'LL LET YOU GO STRAIGHT THROUGH.

>> SOUNDS GREAT. >> YOU JUST MAKE SURE YOU MENTION IT FOR THE RECORD. >> OKAY. THIS IS MY SLIDE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, PAM WILLIAMS, MY INFORMATION IS ON RECORD. THIS SITE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF RAPID EXPANSION OF THE EXTENT OF DURHAM CHARACTERIZE BID HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, SINGLE USES ONLY, AND INCREASE ALLIANCE ON PRIVATE AUTOMOBILE TRANSPORTATION. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES ITS PURPOSE IS TO MOVE AWAY FROM CAR CENTRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. THIS ISN'T THE CASE HERE.

THERE ARE NO ANTICIPATED TRANSIT OUT IN THIS AREA IN THE 2050 METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION PLAN. WHAT ARE THE RESIDENTS SUPPOSED TO DO TO GET TO JOBS, GROCERY STORE IN 30 YEARS? THERE IS NOTHING BEING DONE TO MOVE COMMUNITIES CENTERED AROUND TRANSIT. APPROVAL FOR DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE APPROVED

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PLACE-TYPE MAP, OR THE PROPOSED NEW ZONING. THIS IS CAR CENTRIC AND DOES NOT MEET THE LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION COORDINATION POLICIES, THE ONE STATED 116 HERE ON THIS PRESENTATION, BUT ALSO POLICY 69-73. I'M GOING JUST STATE A FEW THINGS THP 69, IMPROVED TRANSPORTATION LAND USE PLANNING COORDINATION, REDUCE DURHAM CARBON EMISSION. POLICY 70, REDUCE LAND USE FOR AUTOMOBILE, ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIANS.

71, PLAN TRANSPORTATION CONNECTION TO OFFER SAFE ACCESS TO NEARBY JOB, EDUCATION NAH SILTS, SERVICES AND TRANSIT. 72, ENSURE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS CONNECTED TO ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS BY CONSTRUCTING CITY PATHWAYS, GREENWAYS, OFF-STREET BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION. AGAIN, I SAY, CONSTRUCTING. AND 74, SUPPORT IMPROVEMENT FOR

YOU TO WALK, BIKE, AND ROLL TO SCHOOL. HERE KEYWORD IN 73 IS CONNECT. THIS DOES NOT CONNECT TO WAL-MART OR ANY SCHOOLS. THERE IS NO AMENITIES WITHIN A MILE OF THIS PROJECT.

UM, THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THERE'S ANOTHER SIDEWALK IS ABOUT 600 FEET EAST OF THIS PROJECT. IT DOESN'T CONNECT TO THERE. IT DOESN'T EVEN PROVIDE SIDEWALKS ACROSS PROPOSED GREENWAY TO CONNECT TO THE GREENWAY. THERE IS A GREENWAY TRAIL IN THE MASTER PLAN THAT RUNS ALONGSIDE THIS AND WANDA'S GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT.

UM, HERE THIS IS CARPENTER POND ROAD. IT'S GOT NARROW LANES, NARROW SHOULDERS, RIGHT HERE THEY JUST PUT A DEVELOPMENT IN ON THE LEFT SO THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS WHERE BASICALLY WHERE

THE GREENWAY WOULD CROSS BUT AS YOU GO TO FERRELL ROAD, THIS ROAD IS NARROW AND THE SHOULDERS ARE NARROW. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> HI.

WANDA ALLEN AND I'D LIKE YOU TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO LOOK AT THE CHART AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ON YOUR SCREEN, YOU WILL CLEARLY SEE THIS AS IN THE PANTHER CREEK FLOODPLAIN. ALSO, YOU WILL SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE, THERE IS A SEWAGE ASSESSMENT ALREADY THON PROPERTY, SO I'M QUESTIONING THIS 50-FOOT ALONG THE RAILROAD THAT HE'S CLAIMING. I'M ALSO E QUESTIONING HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT CAN, UM, EXCEED POLICY 72 AND POLICY 105 WHEN BOTH OF THESE POLICIES CLEARLY STATE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS TO CONNECT NEIGHBORHOODS AND SHALL

BUILD THE GREENWAY SYSTEM. DURHAM HAS A TRAIL AND GREENWAY MASTER PLAN, AND THIS COULD CLEARLY CONNECT VERY EASILY. DEVELOPER COULD BUILD THE GREENWAY TRAIL, IT'S ONLY A THOUSAND FEET, YOU GUYS, ONLY A THOUSAND FEET AND THEY COULD CONNECT THE SIDEWALK TO THE GREENWAY WHICH IS APROXIMATELY 600 FEET. THIS COULD BE DOE.

THEY'RE OUT THERE WITH THEIR EQUIPMENT, THEY COULD DO IT THAT TIME. SO WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THEY BUILD THIS GREENWAY TRAIL AND CONNECT -- AND THIS WOULD BE A GREAT ACCESS TO -- WOULD BE GREAT TO THE COMMUNITY THERE. THEY COULD WALK, GO ON THIS GREENWAY TRAIL SO WE'RE ASKING THAT IT BE DONE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, AGAIN. PAMELA ANDREWS, WAKE FOREST

HIGHWAY. UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY 85 STATES THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD DISTRIBUTE TREE CANOPY THROUGHOUT THE SITE TO MAINTAIN A CONSISTENT MATURE TREE CANOPY. THE REQUIRED TREE SAVE THE 20% ON THIS SITE. THE REQUIRED TREE SAVE WOULD ALL BE MET, ALL OF IT BE MET WITHIN THAT REQUIRED FLOODPLAIN YOU SEE IN BLUE THERE.

78 ACRES. 57 ACRES. WHY WAS THE EXTRA 5% PROFFERED? LET'S SEE. 14 ACRES, STREAM BUFFERS AROUND PANTHER CREEK MUST BE ADDED IN, THE PERENNIAL CREEKS MUST BE ADDED IN, ADD IN THE REQUIRED FLOODPLAIN AND YOU ARE WELL OVER THE 25%. IT GIVES YOU TO 25% YOU NEEDED.

ALL THE 25% TRY SAVE IS DUE TO THE CREEKS, WETLANDS, FLOODPLAINS WHICH ARE ALL CLUSTERED IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THIS PROJECT. TREES SHOULD BE SAVED THROUGHOUT THE PARCEL, NOT IN THIS ONE CORNER. NEXT SLIDE. PANTHER CREEK FLOWS ALONG THIS PARCEL ALONG THE SOUTHERN BORDER.

AROUND PANTHER CREEK WAS LESS DEVELOPED THAN MOST OF THE CITY IN THE PAST, HOWEVER AS WE JUST SHOWED YOU IT HAS QUICKLY CHANGED AND NUMEROUS PROJECTS ARE UNDERWAY AS SEEN IN OUR SLIDES. THE LAST FOUR FOR PANTHER CREEK WAS A 64, A D. THIS IS DOWN FROM 74, A C IN 2021. PANTHER CREEK'S HIGH FECAL BACTERIA LEVELS CONTRIBUTE TO THIS SCORE. WATER FROM PANTHER CREEK FLOWS INTO FALLS LAKE LP THIS LAKE HAS BEEN PROBLEMS CAUSED BY EXTRA NUTRIENTS PER THE ALGAE AS NITROGEN AND PHOSPHORUS CONTINUE TO FLOW INTO FALLS LAKES LEADING

STATE TO NEW NUTRIENT -- ONCE IT FLOWS TO FALLS LAKE IT FLOWS TO NEW USE RIVER WHICH HAS ITS OWN WATER MANAGEMENT STRATEGY. PANTHER CREEK NUTRIENT LOAD IS DEFINITELY CHANGING AS EVIDENCED IN THE SEDIMENT LOAD IN YOU GO VISIT. WHAT INNOVATIVE STRATEGIES WILL BE USED TO PROTECT THIS CREEK FROM FURTHER HARM TO FALLS LAKE? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT. >> HELLO, KAY TIE ROSS. FIRST TOPIC IS THAT OFFICE OF BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT PREDICTED IN 2020 THAT WE NEED 60,000 NEW HOUSING UNITS BY THE YEAR 2050. THEY DID THE MATH, THAT'S TWO THOUSAND NEW UNITS PER YEAR. I TRIED TO FIND OUT FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HOW MANY OF THOSE UNITS ARE ALREADY BUILT,

UNDER CONSTRUCTION, OR APPROVED, AND I WASN'T ABLE TO BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE FIGURES READILY AVAILABLE. I WAS TOLD THEY HAVE TO HAND COUNT THEM. SO I'M STARTING TO HAND COUNT THEM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF TWO THOUSAND UNITS ARE NEEDED PER YEAR, WE ARE WAY OVER THAT JUST ON THE ONES THAT YOU'VE APPROVED AND YOU ONLY APPROVED A A SMALL PORTION OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION UNITS BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY SO WE'RE FAR OVER SO WHEN YOU'RE APPROVING THESE UNITS AND INFLICTING THE ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE THAT YOU'VE JUST BEEN HEARING ABOUT, BALANCE IT. BALANCE IT. WE ALREADY HAVE, WE'RE WAY AHEAD OF THE PACE TO MEET THE NEEDS BY 2050. SECOND TOPIC BECAUSE THIS IS A ANNEXATION, I'VE BEEN READING RECENTLY THAT ALL OF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT DOWNTOWN DYING,

THE ECONOMICS IN DOWNTOWN ARE DYING AND GUESS WHO'S KILLING DOWNTOWN? YOU GUYS BECAUSE YOU'RE AND MOVING THE POPULATION OUT TO THE EVER-EXPANDING FRINGES OF DURHAM AND LIVE IN NORTH DURHAM COUNTY, UM, I'M NOT GOING TO COME INTO DOWNTOWN TO SHOP WHEN YOU'RE ALSO PUTTING A PUBLICS OUT THERE, LITTLE RESTAURANTS OUT THERE, ALL THE HOUSING OUT THERE, YOU GUYS ARE KILLING DOWNTOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FORCING THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN, INTO THE INNER CITY WHERE YOU COULD MAKE IT VIBRANT AGAIN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

AND I DON'T THINK I'LL BE TRYING TO KILL MYSELF, UM, BUT, UH, THOSE ARE THE SPEAKERS I HAVE SIGNED UP. WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND, SIR? >> I'LL RESPOND JUST BRIEFLY. AGAIN, TOM JOHNSON FOR THE

APPLICANTS. AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE'RE DOING A TEN FOOT MULTIUSE PATH ALONG CARPENTER ROAD. THAT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WE AGREEDs TO. WE'RE ALSO DONATING THE QUARTER NECESSARY FOR THE GREENWAY WHICH WILL LIKELY BE AE LONG THE ABANDON RAILROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THE EAST OF THIS SITE.

BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LOCATION SO IT'S HARD TO BUILD IT IF YOU DON'T KNOW -- THERE IS AN EXISTING SEWER LINE ALONG THAT LOCATION. THE POLICY 81 THAT SAYS OUR OPEN SPACE SHOULD BE DONE IN WAY THAT IT PROTECTS ENVIRONMENTALLY-SENSITIVE PORGS O OF THE SITE TO CREATE LARGE AND CONTIGUOUS HABITAT AREAS OTHER THAN DISCONNECTED OPEN SPACE. WE COMMITTED TO THAT BY KEEPING OUR OPEN SPACE AROUND THAT FLOODPLAIN AREA AND ALSO DEDICATED 50 FOOT BUFFER WHICH IS MORE THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED ALONG THE FRONTAGE ON CARPENTER ROAD SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN COMMITTED TO. OBVIOUSLY WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW, RUNOFF IS NOT CONTROLLED AT ALL.

IT'S JUST AN UNDEVELOPED PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE WILL HAVE O TO CONTROL ANY STORMWATER RUNOFF, AND TREAT THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE AND FEDERAL LAW. THIS DOES PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL HOUSING TYPE THERE IS AJOUNING THS IS SINGLE FAMILY UH DEVELOPMENT, THIS WILL PROVIDE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT TO CREATE SOME DIVERSITY THERE WITHIN THIS LOCATION. UM, YES, THE AMENITIES ARE NOT THERE YET, BUS AND PARKS AND THAT SORT OF THING BUT AT SOME POINT THEY WILL COME. YOU'RE TO THE GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND BUILD A PARK OR ANY OTHER FACILITIES LIKE THAT UNLESS THE POPULATION IS THERE AND THIS IS PART OF THAT PROCESS AND IN THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY IT'S LARGELY THAT'S BECOMING PART OF THE CITY, IT'S LARGELY UNDEVELOPED, AND THE A ANALYSIS I POINT OUT IN THE ANNEXATION THIS IS A NET POSITIVE TO THE CITY IN TERMS OF REVENUE VERSUS EXPENDITURES. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER AN QUESTIONS YOU MAY HVE BUT AGAIN

THIS IS A PROJECT THAT PROVIDES MORE HOUSING BY PROVIDING MORE DENSITY BUT BEING SENSITIVE TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS IN THE AREA. >> THANK YOU. SO THOSE ARE ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT I HAVE. I DID HAVE ONE SIGNED UP ONLINE BUT THEY ARE HERE.

MS. ALLEN. DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE I SEE AS ALWAYS. UM, COLLEAGUES, WHILE AT THIS TIME I'LL DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AND BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL.

COLLEAGUES, ANY COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER. >> ONE QUESTION. WOULD YOU CONSIDER CONSTRUCTING THE GREENWAY TRAIL WITH AN EASEMENT?

>> UM, YES, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT. >> MAKE THAT A COMMITMENT. >> WE CAN MAKE THAT A COMMITMENT. I WOULD CHECK BECAUSE OF THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP UH WE CHECKED WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY WILL DO THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENTS?

ALL RIGHT. I NO THAT ALL OF THE CASES ARE GOING TO O BE THS EASY TONIGHT. GOOD. [LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THOSE ARE ALL THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE, ALL THE QUESTIONS, AND SPEAKERS. LET'S GET TO THE MOTION. SO COLLEAGUES, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ANNEXING '2613 CARPENTER ROAD' INTO THE CITY OF DURHAM AND TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A UTILITY EXTENSION AGREEMENT WITH SVK CARPENTER RD LLC. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> MOVED AND PROSH P. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE VOTE. PLEASE CLOSE THE VOTE.

>> MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >> THANK YOU. I'LL ALSO ENTERTAIN A MOTION

587, FALLS/JORDAN DISTRICT B OVERLAY, CITY JURISDICTION. >> MOVED AS READ. >> SECOND. >> MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE VOTE. PLEASE CLOSE THE VOTE. >> MOTION PASSES 5-0. >> ALL RIGHT.

AND LASTLY -- >> POINT OF CLARIFICATION. JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM IF STAFF CAPTURED LANGUAGE FOR THAT PROFFER? >> WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT TALK TO THE APPLICANT AFTER -- ACTUALLY PEYTON'S GOING TO GO TALK TO THEM AND GET THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE INCLUDING TIMING MECHANISM AT A LATER DATE. >> SO PLEASE DON'T LEAVE UNTIL WE GET THAT COMMITMENT ON INK TO PAPER ALL RIGHT? LASTLY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT A CONSISTENCY STATEMENT

S. SEC. 160D-605. >> MOVE TO ADOPT CONSISTENCY.

>> SECOND. >> BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE VOTE. PLEASE CLOSE THE VOTE.

>> MOTION PASSES 5-0. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. COLLEAGUES, BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO DO OUR DUE THE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH HERE AND WE'RE NOT JUST -- ANYONE CAN SIGN UP AND SAY ANYTHING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUB SLICK NOT MISLEAD. THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT FORCE DEVELOPMENT ANY PARTICULAR WAY. THIS IS HOW WE RECEIVE IT, WE REVIEW IT, WHEN THE APPLICANT COMES BEFORE US, EITHER IF WE DENY IT THEY BUILD BY RIGHT WHICH THEY CAN BUILD WHATEVER IT'S ZONED FOR IF IF WE APPROVE WE A APPROVE WHATEVER THEY'RE ASKING FOR BUT I WANT TO STOP THIS NARRATIVE ABOUT CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO BUILD THIS AND BUILD THAT, WE DON'T BUILD AND WE HAVE TO DO OUR DUE

DILIGENCE TO CLEAN UP FALSE NARRATIVES IN OU COMMUNITY CONSIDERING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR NATION, POLITICALLY, SO I WON'T ALLOW THAT -- I MEAN YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT BUT I'LL MAKE SURE I CLEAN IT UP IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. UM, AND TO SAVE DOWNTOWN, JUST COME SHOP. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS IN HERE TONIGHT, AND YOU ALL MAY NOT KNOW THIS, COLLEAGUES, YOU ALL MAY NOT KNOW THIS, BUT IN OUR PROCEDURES, WE BREAK THIS RULE EVERY SINGLE TIME WE DO A DEVELOPMENT CASE. THE DEVELOPMENT CASES THAT COME BEFORE -- THE ZONING CASES THAT COME BEFORE US AND ANNEXATIONS CASES WHENEVER WE DO A PBLIC HEARING, WE ACTUALLY ARE ONLY SUPPOSED TO ALLOW 15 MINUTES PER SIDE. I NEVER ENACT THAT RULE, BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO TONIGHT IS PAUSE FOR A SECOND BECAUSE WE HAVE 81 SPEAKERS SIGNED UP, 89 SPEAKERS, AND THEN SOME ONLINE.

SO WE HAVE 89 SPEAKERS ONLINE AND NORMALLY EACH SPEAKER GETS -- SORRY, 89 SPEAKERS TOTAL INCLUDING THOSE ONLINE. , DON'T WANT TO DO THAT TO OUR STAFF AND FAMILIES, SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO -- AND YES IT'S A LOT OF SPEAKERS ON ITEM 11, PICKET APARTMENTS AND ALSO ITEM 13, MORIAH RIDGE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE AN EARLY BREAK TO ALLOW SOME CONVERSATION. WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL HONOR THE

SPEAKERS ONLINE -- >> ONLY HAVE ONE SPEAKER ONLINE. >> FOR THIS ONE SO WE'LL HEAR THAT ONE. WHAT I'D LIKE YOU ALL TO CONSIDER BECAUSE VI SO MANY PEOPLE NEAR THE CHAMBERS IS CONSIDER A SMALLER GROUP UH TO REPRESENT, UM -- EITHER A SPOKES PERSON THAT COULD SPEAK FOR THE CASE FOR EVERYONE, OR IF WE COULD GET JUST A FEW FOLKS THAT CAN REPRESENT THE MASS BODY BECAUSE WHAT I'M NOTICING IS -- YEP, SO WHAT I'M SEEING IS FOR EACH OF THOSE CASES, EVERY SIGN UP IS THE SAME THAT'S OPPONENT. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO -- I'M GOING TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT YOU ALL PROBABLY KNOW EACH OTHER -- NO?

>> NO. >> SO THAT'S WHY WE DON'T MAKE ASSUMPTIONS. [LAUGHTER] THE REASON WHY I'M TRYING TO REALLY ANNOYING TO THE SPEAKER, TO YOU, IF I CUT YOU REALLY SHORT. NOW, I DO HAVE PREROGATIVE TO ALLOCATE HOW MUCH TIME EACH SPEAKER GETS AND I HATE TO SAY WELL EVERYONE GETS 30 SECONDS EACH. WE COULD TAKE THAT ROUTE OR TRY COMMUNICATE WIH ONE ANOTHER TO GET A FEW REPRESENTATIVES AND I HATE TO JUST SAY 15 MINUTES PER SIDE. SO, UM -- SINCE NO ONE KNOWS EACH OTHER BUT EVERYONE SIGNED UP THE SAME WAY WHAT I'LL DO IS HAVE TO REDUCE THE TIME, SO I'LL CALL THE NAMES, BUT I WILL BE REDUCING SIGNIFICANTLY SO BE VERY SUCCINCT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET RIGHT TO IT, AND I WILL

ALSO PUT A LIMIT ON THE APPLICANT AS WELL -- NOPE, I CAN'T DO THAT. THAT IS TRUE. >> APPLICANT [LOW AUDIO]. >> THAT IS TRUE. ALL RIGHT. GIVE ME ONE SECOND, PLEASE.

MADAM CLERK, AND COMMUNE KAGSZS, WE ARE ON BREAK FOR JUST ABOUT TWO MINUTES FOR THE SAKE OF AARON.

>> -- FIRST TIME FOR US ON THIS -- TESTING, IS THAT BETTER. COLLEAGUES, THIS IS A FIRST, WHERE WE TRIED TO ORGANIZE IT. M. WE'RE NOT GOING DO THAT TO WANT.

SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO ASK WE'RE GOING DELIBERATE JUST A LITTLE FURTHER WITH COUNCIL AND I'M GOING DELIBERATE WITH YOU ALL. THOSE IN THE CHAMBER, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU DO THE SAME. YOU COULD SPEAK TO ONE ANOTHER. THIS IS A COMMUNITY SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT TO GET OUR POINT ACROSS WITHOUT HAVING TO BE HERE UNTIL TOMORROW MORNING AND STILL BE ABLE TO HEAR WHAT NEED ES TO BE SAID.

ALL RIGHT? SO THE FIRST CASE UP IS NUMBER 11, BUT I WILL HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION ON ITEM 13. EVEN IF I WERE TO REDUCE IT TO ONE MINUTE PER PERSON, WE'D STILL BE HERE ABOUT AN HOUR-AND-A-HALF BEFORE WE COULD GET TO THE POINT OF ADDRESSING IT SO I'M GOING RECESS US FOR

FIVE MINUTES TO 8:15 SO I CAN DIDN'T WITH OUR COUNCIL AND OUR COUNSELOR, AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. PICKETT ROAD IS NUMBER 11. >> WHY DON'T YOU DIVIDE THEM? >> 8:15.

>> ALL RIGHT, GUYS, LET'S COME BACK T ORDER, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GET BACK IN OUR SEATS, PLEASE. THANK YOU ALL, SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. I GOT IT. THANK YOU, GUYS, TANK YOU ALL. WATCH YOUR STEPS, MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT TRIPPING OVER THOSE ROWS. WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK TO ORDER HERE, AND I ASKED -- I MADE AN ASSUMPTION EARLIER THAT EVERYONE KNEW EACH OTHER AND SOME OF THE FACES I GOT WAS NO, NO. WELL, I THINK YOU SHOULD GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER, IT'LL MAKE OUR COMMUNITY A MUCH BETTER PLACE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL TALK ABOUT IN THE STATE OF THE CITY IS, UM, FROM A FRIEND OF MINE, E HE SUGGESTED WE DO A NAME TG

DAY SO YOU CAN GET TO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS. SO I'LL BE SUGGESTING THAT AND I HOPE YOU'LL PARTICIPATE. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD HAVE BOTH SIDES REPRESENTED, AND I KNOW SOME FOLKS ARE PROBABLY SITTING A AT HOME, WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOING ON? WELL THIS IS LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND WHAT UH YOU JUST EXPERIENCED IS COMMUNITY DELIBERATING ON MAKING THEIR VOICES HEARD. BUT WHAT I WILL DO IS INSTEAD OF JUST A SOLID TIME -- AND I UH APPRECIATE EVERYONE GETTING UP TO WORK TOGETHER -- UM, I AM GOING TO HAVE EVERYONE SPEAK AND I AM GOING TO REDUCE IT TO ONE MINUTE, AND THAT WAY WE'LL BE ABLE TO HEAR EVERYONE'S VOICE AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. SO, BASICALLY, IF I REDUCE IT TO -- WHETHER I COULD SAY LISTEN

WE'LL DO 30 MIUTES OR EVERYBODY GETS A MINUTE. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE ON ONE O THESE CASES IS FOUR MINUTES, ALL RIGHT. IS OTHER IS ABOUT 12 MINUTES BASED ON WHAT I HAVE HERE AFTER RECOUNTING, SO, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE TOO BAD. I WILL SAY WE DO NOT -- I DON'T -- WE DON'T SPEAK DIRECTLY FROM UP HERE TO THE AUDIENCE BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH.

I DO SEE YOU ALL. WE'RE COMMUNICATING, BUT THAT'S JUST NOT A PRACTICE WE DO IN OUR DECORUM. SO I SEE HANDS RAISING AND I'M NOT ACKNOWLEDGING IT, BUT WE DON'T DO THAT. WE ALSO DO NOT DIRECTLY COME UP TO THE DAIS AND DO ALL THAT STUFF.

WE ASK YOU TO SPEAK TO THE CLERK IF YOU HAVE ANY MATERIALS IF YOU EVER COME BACK TO CITY HALL. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE PRACTICES FOR A MULTITUDE OF REASONS INCLUDING SAFETY. I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK WE'RE

JUST BEING NUMB. SO WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL GET INTO THIS PUBLIC HEARING IN JUST A MOMENT AND I WILL ALL A LIST OF NAMES AND I'LL -- AND ONCE I CALL NAMES I'LL ASK YOU LINE UP OVER THERE, ALL RIGT? SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS HEAR THE STAFF REPORT AND WE'LL FOLLOW SUIT AS NORMAL. >> MAYOR WILLIAMS, MAYOR PRO TEM MIDDLETON, AND HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS, GOOD EVENING.

I AM AARON CAIN WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT. 12 ACRES AND LOCATED AT 3117, 3121, 3123, AND 3127 PICKETT ROAD. THE CURRENT ZONING IS RESIDENTIAL SUBURBAN-20. 176. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THE PROPERTIES TO ALLOW

UP TO 140 APARTMENTS. THE PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNATED APARTMENT AND TOWNHOUSE NEIGHBORHOOD AND RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE ON THE PLACE TYPE MAP. 176 ZONING IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGNATED PLACE TYPES. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL ON AN 8-2 VOTE ON NOVEMBER 12, 2024, MEETING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT.

YOU'VE HEARD THE STAFF REPORT. COLLEAGUES, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO THE STAFF? >> ONE QUESTION. MR. CAIN, I WONDER IF THIS MAY WITH A QUESTION FOR STORMWATER BUT ON THE ISSUE OF STORMWATER, CAN YOU TELL ME IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CITY RECOMMENDS TO DEVELOPERS IN TERMS OF WHAT'S THE -- I KNOW THIS IS NOT PART OF UDO, BUT THERE'S A REQUIREMENT AT SITE PLAN TO HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF STORMWATER TREATED TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEAR STORM, RIGHT? >> CORRECT.

>> IS THAT STANDARD? >> THE CITY CODE AND SARAH WILL CORRECT ME IF I HAVE THIS WRONG UH BUT THE CITY CODE HAS TWO THINGS. ONE, YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE STORMWATER COMING OFF THE STE THAN WHAT ORIGINALLY PREDEVELOPMENT. YOU HAVE TO MEET THE PREDEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS OR THE PREDEVELOPMENT RUNOFF CURRENT RUNOFF AT A MINIMUM.

SECOND, YOU NEED TO AT A MINIMUM PREPARE FOR THE TEN-YEAR STORM. YOU NEED TO HAVE STORMWATER CONTROL MEASURE IN PLACE FOR MINIMUM TEN-YEAR STORM. >> GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

YOU'VE HEARD THE STAFF REPORT. I'LL NOW DECLARE TIS PUBLIC HEARING OPEN. AND WE WILL NOW HAVE THE APPLICANT. HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU UH NEED?

>> 12 MINUTES. >> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE PLACE 15 MINUTES ON.

>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. NIL GHOSH AN ATTORNEY WITH MORNINGSTAR LAW GROUP IN DURHAM. I'M REPTDING APPLICANT FOR THE PROPOSED REZONING ON PICKETT ROAD WHICH IS ASCENSION.

I THINK THERE ARE POSITIVES ABOUT THIS PROJECT. FIRST, IS A STE LOCATION. MOST OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT COME WITH SITE CHALLENGES. CERTAINLY THERE ARE SOME HERE, BUT WE HAVE A LIMITED -- WE HAVE LIMBED OUR BUILDING AND PARKING AREA TO THE SECTION OF THE AREA THAT HAS BEN CLEARED AND IMPROVED PREVIOUSLY SO THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT GOING TAE OUT A BUNCH OF TREES. SECONDLY, THE DIVERSITY OF USES IN THIS AREA IS UNIQUE AND THIS PROJECT ADDS TO THAT DIVERSITY. JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS LOCATION YOU DURHAM ACADEMY AND THE HEALTH CENTER AND TO OUR SOUTHWEST AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, SOUTH IS CRESCENT BAPTIST CHURCH AND PARK AND TWO OUR EAST IS SANDY CREEK TRAIL,

TOWNHOME COMMUNITY AND DUKE HEALTH CLINIC. ADDING APARTMENTS HERE WILL HELP ROUND OUT THIS COMMUNITY AND MAKE A MORE COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THE COMP PLAN DESIGNATED THIS AREA WITH THE APARTMENT AND TOWN HOUSE DESIGNATION BECAUSE OF THAT. THERE ALSO IS OF COURSE THE RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE, PLACE-TYPE MAP DESIGNATION ON A PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY.

AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT OUR REQUESTED REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH WITH THAT DESIGNATION AS WELL BECAUSE WE COMMITTED TO TREE PRESERVATION WITHIN THE FLOODWAY AND FRINGE AND COMMITTED TO LOCATE BUILDING AND PARKING OUTSIDE THE FLOODPLAIN. IN FACT, AS IT STANDS THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH 22 OUT OF 25 APPLICABLE POLICIES, UM, WE REVIEWED THE POLICIES WITH WHICH WE WERE INCONSISTENT AND WE ARE ADDING TWO ADDITIONAL COMMITMENTS TONIGHT TOED ADDRESS A FEW. FIRST, COMMITTING TO MEETING ENERGY STAR MULTIFAMILY NEW CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FAR BUILDING. SECONDLY, WE'RE COMMITTING TO HAVING ELEVATORS IN ALL

MULTISTORY BUILDINGS. WE'VE RUNNED THIS LANGUAGE BY STAFF AND I BELIEVE THESE COMMITMENTS STRENGTHEN OUR ALREADY-STRONG PROJECT. WE'RE NOT BLIND TO THE FACT THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERNS RAISED IN THE COMMUNITY. CHIEF AMONG THEM ARE EVIRONMENT IMPACTS AND TRAFFIC.

I'LL ADDRESS THOSE IN REVERSE ORDER. THERE'S NO DENYING THAT WITH TWO EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES AI CROSS THE STREET TRAFFIC CAN BE CHALLENGING. LIKE EVERY SCHOOL THERE'S A 30-MINUTE PERIOD WHERE YOU'RE GETTING A BUNCH OF CARS. I ACTUALLY LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM A SCHOOL MYSELF AND EXPERIENCE THE SAME DELUGE OF CARS.

PICKETT ROAD IS UNDER CAPACITY BY 45%. I'M NOT TRYING TO DENY REALITY BUS ROAD HAS EXCESS CAPACITY WHICH THIS PROJECT SNOT SKALGLATEDED TO EXCEED. I THINK THERE'S A BIT OF MISS UNDERSTANDING ON ENVIRONMENTAL.

ONE THING THAT CLUED ME IN HERE WAS COMMISSIONER CUT RIGHT'S COMMENTS THAT THE PROJECT QUOTE DOES EXACTLY WHAT'S NEEDED IN DURHAM BUT AT THE EXPENSE OF SOME ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE. I DON'T THINK IT'S TRUE WE'R. THIS EXHIBIT HERE ON THE SCREEN SHOWS A COUPLE F OF THINGS.

THE PEACH BLOCK IS OUR BUILDING AND PARKING WHILE THE HOT PING LINE REPRESENTS THE PARCEL BOUNDARIES. OUR BUILDING AND PARKING IS ENTIRELY UH OUTSIDE FLOODPLAIN. 8 ACRES. 42 ACRES. ALL OF THAT IS ENTIRELY OUTSIDE THE FLOODPLAIN. OUR, SORRY -- MOREOVER THON YOU CAN SEE WE'RE MORE THAN 300 FEET

AWAY FROM SANDY CREEK TRAIL. THIS NEXT EXHIBIT RIGHT HRE SHOWS IN RED THE ROUGHLY UH 3,471 ACRES THAT DRAINS TO OUR SITE. WE'RE TOWARD THE BOTTOM AND OUR BUILDING AND PARKING ENVELOPE REPRESENTS NINE TENTHS OF THE OVERALL BANE BASIN. OUR SITE DRAINS INTO A VERY LARGE FLOODPLAIN.

THE FLOOD WATER LEVEL HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED AND OUR SITE WILL NOT INCREASE THE FLOOD ELEVATION ON THIS TRAIL. WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S FLOODING ISSUES TODAY GIVEN THAT THE TRAIL IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FLOODWAY, BUT IN PROJECT IS NOT THE ISSUE AND THIS PROJECT WILL NOT EXACERBATE THAT ISSUE. 5% TREE COVER THROUGH PRESERVATION WHICH H IS WLL ABOVE THE 20% THAT'S OTHERWISE REQUIRED. BUT I AGREE WITH THE FIRST PART OF COMMISSIONER CUTRIGHT'S COMMENT NPS PROJECT DOES EXACTLY

WHAT IS NEEDED IN DURHAM CONVERTING THREE SINGLE FAMILY INTO 140 APARTMENTS WITH 10% INCOME RESTRICTED UNITS ON LESS THAN 4 ACRES OF BUILDING AND PARKING ENVELOPE IS A GREAT WAY TO INCREASE HOUSING STOCK INSIDE CORPORATE LIMITS. WATER AND SEWER THERE, NO NEED TO ANNEX THIS, IS A DENSE DEVELOPMENT AND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN. PERSONALLY, I HOPE TO O BE ABLE TO DO MORE PROJECTS LIKE THIS. OUR TEAM IS VERY PROUD OF THIS PROJECT BUT GIVEN THE LVEL OF COMMUNITY INTERESTS WE DID WANT TO GO THE EXTRA MILE.

WE ALL AGREE THAT, WELL, WE AGREED WITH MANY THINGS IN FROM THE COMMUNITY. THE SANDY CREEK AND TRAIL ARE ASSETS AND ADDITIONAL CONNECTIVITY WIL ENHANCE BOTH. WE WANT TO COMMIT TONIGHT TO ALSO PROVIDE SECURING THE EASE MS OVER THAT PARCEL TO OUR EAST WHICH IS REID 236562. WEPT TO COMMITMENT TO PROVIDING THE CITY THE EASEMENTS AND/OR RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT IS NEEDED FOR

10 FOOT MULTIUSE PATH RUNNING FROM EASTERN SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY TO THE TRAIL. AND, UH, WE THINK THAT'S A SECURING THAT OFF-SITE EASEMENT IS GOING TO BE A HUGE VALUE TO THE PUBLIC AND CITY. BUT WE'RE ALSO WANT TO COMMIT TO TOWARDS THE CONTRIBUTION COMPLETION OF THAT CONNECTION. I DON'T THINK THAT PROJECT IS LARGE NOW HAVE ACTUALLY DO THE CONNECTION, ITS, BUT WE ALSO WOULD COMMIT TO PROVIDING $300,000 TOWARDS THAT CONNECTION.

THAT'LL PUT THE CITY IN GOOD POSITION TO IMPLEMENT THAT CONNECTION. FINALLY, COUNCIL MEMBER RIST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THE INFORMATION YOU DID ABOUT THE BIRD-FRIENDLY DESIGN. MY CLIENTS HAVE REVIEWED THAT AND WE FEEL CONFIDENT WE'LL BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT A BIRD-FRIENDLY FEATURE. NOT SURE WHAT THAT WILL BE YET, SO, THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF IT AND WE HOPE TO HAVE YOUR SUPPORT TONIGHT.

WE'RE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. ONLINE FIRST. ALL RIGHT.

MADAM CLERK, WE'RE GONG START, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER ONLINE, CHERYL FIGETTA. JUST REALIZE MY MIKE WAS ON YOU PROBABLY HEARD US TRYING TO SAY THAT MULTIPLE TIMES. >> THAT'S OKAY. >> PLEASE SAY IT FOR US.

>> IT'S FIGUERA. >> WELCOME. YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE. THANKS FOR JOINING US. >> THANK YOU. I WANT TO SAY GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR HEARING US HERE TONIGHT. I LIVE AT 3 BIG OAK COURT IN DURHAM. I HAVE A SENIOR MEMBER AND AUNT THAT LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPOSED BUILD SITE. RECENTLY ONE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE NEAR SAID TO ME LAST WEEK THAT HE WAS HAPPY TO SEE THE BIRDS AND ANIMALS COMING BACK TO THAT POND AND AREA AND I JUST I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL NOT BE A GOOD PLACE TO BUILD AND IT WILL AFFECT THE ENVIRONMENT.

TOP PRIORITIES FOR OUR CITY THAT WAS SAID HERE TONIGHT IS HOUSING AND SAFETY. THIS IS NOT A SAFE PLACE FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSING. THERE WILL NOT BE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES FOR THE 140 PROPOSED APARTMENTS. WHERE ARE PEOPLE GOING PARK?

THE STREET IS NOT A SAFE PLACE FOR THEM TO PARK. IT WOULD BE UNSAFE TO NAIGATE THIS AREA ROAD SAFELY VIA WALKING OR DRIVING. THERE'S NO BUS LINE TO THIS AREA. HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO GET AROUND? >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST I'M GOING CALL UP SPEAKERS IN ORDER OF FIVE. AT THE FOURTH PERSON I'LL CALL THE NEXT FIVE.

THE FIRST FIVE BELTHS IS I ROSS, DAN ELLISSON, RICHARD GRUERSON, JENNIFER MAYIER, SARAH BIKLY. I'LL JUST LET YOU ALL JUST CONTINUE THROUGH. YOU DON'T HAVE TO -- WELL JUST SAY YOUR NAME WHEN YOU GET TO THE MIKE AND KEEP IT GOING. >> OKAY.

I'VE TRIED TO DELETE. BETS IS I ROSS, MY ADDRESS IS ON RECORD. IN TEN SHORT DAYS AND IN OUR SPEAR TIME WE COLLECTED OVER 340 SIGNATURES OPPOSING THE REZONING

OF 140 APARTMENTS AT THIS SITE. 130 OF THESE WERE FROM PARK GOERS AND THE REST FOR CONCERNED NEIGHBORS, MAINLY CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY, TRAFFIC SAFETY, TRAFFIC CONGESTION, AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS FOR SANDY CREEK ENVIRONMENTAL PAK AND WETLANDS. THEY ALSO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND BELIEVE THAT A SMALLER, MORE COMPACT FINGERPRINT WOULD BE MORE SUITABLE FOR THIS PROPERTY AND BE MORE PROTECTIVE OF A VERY FRAGILE SITE. THE NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF ENMENTAL AND NATURAL RESOURCES SAID THIS IS SITE SEASON THE IMPAIRED LIST, FLOODING.

>> I KNOW THAT WAS QUICK, BUT -- >> OH, GOSH, OKAY. DID YOU SEE THE FLOODING AND THE HILL? THANK YOU. >> DAN ELLISSON, 31 STONE RIDGE

PLACE. I'VE EDITED TH HECK OUT OF MY TE MINUTES I HAD PREPARED. IS THAT A BIRD I I HEAR? OH, NO, WE KILLED THEM ALL.

[LAUGHTER] WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH -- [APPLAUSE] -- PLEASE DON'T APPLAUSE YOU'RE TAKING MY TIME, YOU'RE TAKING MY TIME. I'M GOING OFF SCRIPT, WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF THIS PROJECT NO MATTER WHAT OUR DISTINGUISHED ATTORNEY SAYS ABOUT WHAT HE THINKS WILL BE HAPPENING, WE DON'T KNOW. THERE'S BEEN NO STUDY THAT ACTUALLY TRIED TO DOCUMENT WHAT THE FLORA AND FAUNA AND BIRD POPULATIONS ARE THAT'S PART OF THIS RECORD. WE HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO DEVELOP IN DURHAM.

WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE FIRST ONE THAT COMINGS ALONG. THIS PARCEL SHOULD SIT FOR A WHILE. LET'S DO THE RESEARCH AND GET IT DONE RIGHT BECAUSE DURHAM DOES THINGS RIGHT. [APPLAUSE] >> I WILL SAY I I APPRECIATE

APPLAUSE. I'M SURE THE SPEAKERS DO, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME, OKAY? SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO SNAPPED ON WE CAN KEEP IT GOING, OKAY? >> THANK YOU.

RICHARD GRIERSON, 6 MARCH MONTH COURT, COLONY HILL. IS A COOKIE CUTTER PROJECT THAT COULD BE BUILT ALMOST ANYWHERE IN DURHAM AND DOESN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ITS LOCATION NEXT TO ONE OF THE JEWELS OF THE DURHAM CITY UH PARK SYSTEM. IT REPRESENTS A TOTAL FAILURE OF PLANNING, IMAGINATION AND DESIGN. THIS DEVELOPMENT FAILS TO MEET CITY OF DURHAM PLANNING GUIDELINES INVOLVING GREEN BUILDING POLICIES, BUILDING FLOODPLAINS, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE OR INNOVATIVE STORMWATER PRACTICES. THESE OMISSIONS ARE ALARMING AND A PROPOSAL TO BUILD 140 APARTMENTS ON PROPERTY THAT INCLUDES SANDY CREEK FLOODWAYS AND FLOODPLAIN AS WELL AS OF THE FLOODED PAVED PATH. A DEVELOPER WITH IMAGINATION AND PRIME LOCATION ABUTTING THE PARK

COULD DESIGN A PROJECT THAT SHOWCASED THE KIND OF GREEN BUILDING POLICIES AND INNOVATIVE STORMWATER PRACTICES THAT ARE CURABLE ELEMENTS OF DURHAM PLANNING GUIDELINES AND WOULD HAVE HAD MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE PARK AND ECOSYSTEM. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> COMING UP, SARAH BIKLY -- YOU'RE SAR RASHGS SARAH, RIGHT? >> NO, JENNIFER.

>> NEXT SARAH BIKLY -- OKAY, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. HOGAN, TINA BACIAS, MICHAEL USTINER, AMARI BURRS AND ANGUS

COOK. JENNIFER, WELCOME. >> SORRY. JENNIFER MAR.

MAYOR WILLIAMS, I REPRESENT TWO THOUSAND PLUS MEMBER ORGANIZATION NEW HOPE BIRD ALLIANCE. IT'S A HEAVY USER O OF THIS PARK AS OUR DIVERSE GROUP OF CITIZENS INCLUDING CITIZENS IN WHEELCHAIRS AND WHEN THINK ABOUT THE FLOODING THAT WILL OCCUR THROUGH THE FLOODPLAIN AND THIS CORRIDOR THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY THE CITY IN 1991 AS PART OF THE OPEN SPACE PLAN HAVING 140 APARTMENTS NEXT TO IT, I THINK OF POSSIBLY THE CHILD SHOT TODAY IN A WHEELCHAIR WHO IS UNABLE TO ENJOY THIS ENVIRONMENT IN ADDITION TO THE FLOODING YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT FROM OTHER PEOPLE AND I'M NOT GING TO O BOTHER TO SHOW YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MASSIVE BUILDINGS, LOTS OF LIGHT, NOISE POLLUTION, AND PATHS BROUGHT INTO THE PARK. THIS IS A PARK IN WHICH 185 SPECIES OF BIRDS HAVE BEEN

IDENTIFIED BY CITIZEN WHO IS USE IT. THESE ARE RARE BIRDS, SOME OF THEM, YOU PASSED A PROCLAMATION TO PROTECT LAST SUMMER. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS FLOODING IS A BAD IDEA. YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT IT.

MANY APARTMENTS IN THE AREA ALREADY. THANK YOU. >> BRIDGETTE. TIME DOESN'T START UNTIL YOU START SPEAKING.

>> SORRY, I DON'T, I USUALLY AM MAC, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET OUT. >> GO AHEAD. GO TO THE NEXT ONE, HERE. YEP. OKAY. I WAS GOING TO SHOW WHY THIS

WETLANDS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ECOSYSTEM FOR BIRDS AND FOR WILDLIFE. WE BELIEVE THAT HAS BEEN NO NATURAL HERITAGE PROGRAM SURVEY OF THIS ECOSYSTEM TO BE SAVED. THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE HERE AND THIS IS TH 100-YEAR FLOOD BOUNDARY, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THESE MAPS WERE MADE. THEY CERTAINLY DON'T SEEM TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE INCREASE INTENSITY AND FREQUENCY OF STORMS. P NOTE THERE IS VERY LITTLE BUFFER HERE BETWEEN FOR PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. WE ARE NOT TOLD WHAT THESE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS, AND THERE CAN OFTEN BE ERRORS IN THE CONSTRUCTION AND IN THE MAINTENANCE OVER LONG TERM.

WE FEEL THIS IS A RISK AN WE NEED TO PRESERVE IT FOR YOUR TWO-YEAR-OLD CHILD TO COME AND ENJOY THIS IN THE FUTURE. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> TINA BESS IS I HAS CEDED HER TIME, I THINK THAT'S HAPPENED WITH OTHERS ON THIS -- EITHER WAY I'LL SPEAK UNTIL YOU CUT ME A OFF. >> YEAH, I CAN'T.

>> THANK YOU I'M MICHAEL STIEN SINCE 1992 I'VE WORKED AT DURHAM ACADEMY HERE TODAY AS HEAD OF SCHOOL REPRESENTED DA AND HILL LEARNING CENTER. WE SUPPORT YOUR VISION OF F A 15-MINUTE CITY, VIABLE OPTIONS FOR WALKING, BIKING AND TRANSIT. THIS VISION HARMONIZES WITH OUR OWN PUBLIC COMMITMENT. WE SEE THE NEED FOR INCREASED MULTIFAMILY UH HOUSING. WE WANT IT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE READY TO UH SUPPORT IT ON LAND ADJACENT TO OUR CAMPUS.

OPPOSITION TO THE AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED. IT WOULD BUILD A MULTITU USE PATH ALONG THE FRONTAGE BUT NOT TO THE MOST IMPORTANT DESTINATION, THE PARK. THE TRAIL IS 410 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE PROPOSED APARTMENTS. THE THROUGH PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY THE DEVELOPER THAT IT DOES NOT APPEAR PART OF THE PROPOSAL.

WE BELIEVE THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT LAND. E WE APPRECIATE THE RECENT ASIGS. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DIALOGUE WITH THE DEVELOPER AND MAYBE THAT'S YIELDING MOVEMENT NOW. IS OUR CHANCE TO BUILD THE CITY YOU SAY YOU WANT.

WE WANT TO COLLABORATE ON THAT VISION. THANK UH YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> MARIBURRIS.

>> I SERVE AS STUDENT BODY PRESIDENT. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO EXPESS CONCERNS. AFTER EXPLAINING THE SITUATIONS TO THE STUDENTS ALMOST EVERYONE

HAD MEDIATE CONCERN ABOUT OVERWHELMING TRAFFIC ALONG PICKETT ROAD. WITH ADDITION OF THE RESIDENTS FROM THE APARTMENT COME PLAINTIFF'S EXHIBIT LEAVING FOR WORK THE TRAFFIC WILL BE NEARLY UNBARABLE. ONE STUDENT TOLD ME IT TOOK 12 MINUTES TO GET FROM THE CHURCH TO THE SCHOOL WHICH IS LESS THAN B A MILE. THIS RAISES CONCERNS FOR NEIGHBORS, STUDENTS, SHOOL EMPLOYEES AND APARTMENT RESIDENTS.

THE NXT CONCERN WAS ABOUT SAFETY. AS STUDENTS AT DURHAM ACADEMY WE APPRECIATE OUR OPEN AND SAFE CAMPUS. SOME STUDENTS EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT TE INCREASE RISK OF STRANGERS WALKING ON TO CAMPUS. ALSO CONCERN ACE BOUT THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES ALLOWED.

WITH THERE BEING ISSUE WITH AVAILABLE PARKING, IT WOULD CAUSE PROBLEMS IF RESIDENTS ATTEMPTED TO PARK IN PARKING LOT. ON NIGHTS WHEN THERE WERE SCHOOL EVENTS PEOPLE COULD APPROACH STUDENTS ON CAMPUS. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> ANGUS? >> AND EVAN. >> YOU ALL WILL HAVE ONE AT A TIME BUT LET ME CALL THE NEXT UP. SO YOUR ANGUS?

>> YES. >> WHO'S EVANS YOU? >> ALL RIGHT. MANTI WAKO, MARE SCHULTZE, IAN SCHULTZE AND BRIDGETTE HOGAN TWICE.

BRIDGETTE AS A GHOST SIGNED UP TWICE IN PERSON, NO, YOU SPOKE. I UH JUST HAVE IT TWICE. LASTLY, DR. JULIAN HOPS.

ALL RIGHT. ANGUS. THEN EVAN. >> I'M ANGUS COOK REPRESENTING

DURHAM ACADEMY CROSS COUNTRY AND TRACK AND FIELD. IT'S EASY TO RUN OUT OF ENGAGING AND SAFE PLACES TO RUN. WE'VE HAD TWO TRAILS LINKED TO DA AND ONE WAS CLOSED EARLIER THIS SUMMER LEAVING SANDY CREEK AUH LONE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, ISOLATED SAFE PLACE WHERE WE CAN EXERCISE.

>> ON EVAN ALSO REPRESENTS DURHAM ACADEMY. OUR PROBLEM LIES WITH GETTING TO SANDY CREEK. WE HAVE TO CROSS A ROAD TO REACH OUR FAVORITE TRAIL. INCREASING TRAFFIC WOULD BE IT ALMOST IMPACT.

WE'VE HAD STRANGERS COMING UP TO GIRLS FOLLOWING THEM AND MAKING THEM UNCOMFORTABLE. THE ADDITION OF MORE RESIDENTS IS GOING TO BE A SECURITY ISSUE FOR ALL OF US. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE] >> GOOD EVENING, MARTY LAW SCHOOL LAN, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AT DURHAM ACADEMY, ALSO RETIRED DURHAM POLICE OFFICER. THANK YOU FOR MY RETIREMENT. QUICKLY, I OPERATE SECURITY AT DURHAM ACAD UH MY.

OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT YOU HAVE 140 UNITS WITH 155 PARKING PLACES WHICH IS GOING TO PUSH THESE OVERFLOW INDIVIDUALS INTO OUR PARKING LOTS WHT WE'LL END UP TOWING THEM. SECONDLY THE TRAFFIC WE HIRED DURHAM POLICE OFFICERS TO ALLEVIATE THE BACKUP ON THESE STREETS DURING, UM, PICKUP UH AND DROP-OFF. OUR CAMPUS IS KIND OF SELF-SUSTAINING WE HAVE PARKING FOR ALL EVENT WHICH IS RARELY IF EVER OVERFLOWS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

[APPLAUSE] >> IAN SCHULTZE I'LL BE SPEAKING BEFORE MATT. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK HERE TONIGHT. IAN MY I BROTHER, BOTH STUDENTS AT DURHAM ACADEMY WE LIVE DOWN THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. MERIT IS A TRUSTED VOICE AS THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE A A ACADEMY. OUR PARENTS MAKE SURE WE WERE PLAYING OUTSIDE OFTEN COMPETING IN THE CUL-DE-SAC AND AT SANDY

CREEK. WHEN I WAS IN FIFTH GRADE THE PANDEMIC INCREASED MY NEED FOR OUTDOOR ACTIVITY TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS MY BROTHERS AND I HAD TO FIND NEW WAYS TO EXPLORE 37 OUR BIKES BECAME OUR LIFELINE AND THE CREEK BECAME OUR HAVEN. BIKING AROUND THE BEAUTIFUL PEACEFUL LANDSCAPE. IT BECAME A MUCH NEEDED ESCAPE FOR THE BAD NEWS DURING THE LOCKDOWN. WITH TONIGHT AGENDA OUR FEEL LIKE OUR VOICE IS PARAMOUNT IN THIS MEANING AND THIS IS WHY WE MOVED TO NOT ALLOW THIS CONSTRUCTION. >> YET OURED A DREN SCHURS IN SAN DRY CREEK INSTILLED LIFE LESSONS SUCH AS CURE JOS CURIOSITY -- AMIDST THE GROWING USE OF STREAMS WE THINK IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT KIDS HAVE CHANCES TO EXPLORE NATURAL AREAS AND DEVELOP A SESE OF ADVENTURE,

RESILIENCE. DEEPER CONNECTION TO NATURE IS VITAL IN THE CONTEXT OF CLIMATE CHANGE. AS CHAIR OF THE DA STUDENT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE I BELIEVE THAT THIS CONNECTION IN YOUNG PEOPLE IS CRUCIAL. IT IS THE FOUNDATION FOR BUILDING LIFELONG STEWARDS THAT WILL ADVOCATE FOR PROTECTION AND HEALTH FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THREATENS TO DIMINISH THESE OPPORTUNITIES. ALTHOUGH THE APARTMENT WOULD NOT DIRECTLY DESTROY THE PARK THEY WOULD FOREVER DESTROY THE NATURAL FEEL OF THE AREA APART FROM FLOODING AND OTHER EFFECTS THE FOUR OR FIVE STORY BUILDING WOULD LOOM OVER THE PARK AND STRIP SECLUSION. WE WANT TO SEE MORE KIDS EXPLORING IN DURHAM. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] NEXT AFTER DR. HOBS I HAVE DAVID SCHULTZE, DEBRA BARTLET, JOHN

GODELL, LORRAINE DEAN, MATT HARRIS, AND BRIGHT VALVE. YOU MAY GO. >> JULIAN HOBS PATHWOOD LANE. I WANT TO PIGGYBACK OFF, MY SON SAID THAT'S THE WORST IDEA I'VE EVER HEARD, WHERE A M I GOING TO WRIED BY BIKE, THERE WILL BE TOO MUCH TRAFFIC.

SANDY CREEK PARK IS THE ONLY GREEN SPACE THAT RESIDENTS OF TRINITY BRIDGE, COLONY PARK, WOOD STREAM GLEN AND WEST GLEN CAN ACCESS ON FOOT. YOU SPOKE ABOUT TAKING CARE OF EACH OTHER AND PRIORITIZING OUR CHILDREN. I'D LIKE TO IT WILL YOU HOW SANDY CREEK ALLOW MED TO DO THAT. DURING THE PANDEMIC, SANDY CREEK PARK SERVED AS A HAVEN FOR THE GIRLS ON THE RUN TEAM THAT I UH COACH FWOR SEASONS. P WITHOUT THAT PARK, WELD NOT HAVE HAD A TEAM BECAUSE THIR SCHOOL DID NOT ALLOW ON CAMPUS ACTIVITIES DURING REMOTE LEARNING. WE EVEN VOTED TO MAKE OUR TEAM

SERVICE PROJECT A CREEK CLEANUP TO GIVE BACK TO THE PARK THAT HAD GIVEN US SO MUCH AND BECOME AN OASIS IN THE MIDST OF THE CHAOS OF THE PANDEMIC. ADDITIONALLY, I'M SURE THAT AS COUNCIL MEMBERS YOU'RE INT MITTLY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROBLEMS DPS HAS FACED WITH TRANSPORTATION. >> THANK YOU. >> MY CHILDREN'S BUS IS 20-30 MINUTE LATE EVERY DAY UH BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC ON PICKETT ROAD.

>> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> GOOD EVENING. DAVID SCHULTZE 104 ACADEMY RIDGE DRIVE. I'M A PHYSICIAN WHO WORKED AT LEVEL 1 TRAUMA CENTERS FOR 14 YEARS.

IT BEFUDDLES ME WE WOULD CONSIDER INCREASING THE DENSITY OF TRAFFIC IN AN AREA THAT ALREADY SUFFERS FROM SPEEDING AND ALSO HAS A VERY HIGH PROPORTION OF YOUNG DRIVERS FROM DURHAM ACADEMY, CRESCENT ACADEMY AND TRINITY SCHOOL. I FULLY AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. WE HAVE A DUTY TO PROTECT THE YOUNG. I WAS ENCOURAGED WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION THOUGHTFULLY VOTED AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL 8-2

AND SPECIFIC COMMENT FROM ONE OF THE MEMBERS DURING THAT MEETING SUMS IT UP WELL. WHY HERE? I AGREE. WHY HERE?

WELL SIT SIMPLY BECAUSE THIS PLOT OF LAND IS AVAILABLE AND AN OF THE OF STTE BUSINESS WANTS TO MAKE MONEY BUILDING AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A GOOD IDEA OR BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY, EVEN GIVEN THE NEED NOR HOUSING. I URGE TO YOU TAKE THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING COMMITTEE AS WELL AS COMMENTARY OF YOUR CONCERNED CITIZENS TO HEART AS UH YOU MAKE THE DECISION ON THIS MATTER. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR TIME AND THOUGHTFUL DELIBERATION. [APPLAUSE] >> JOHN GLOBAL AND I'VE WRITTEN OFF MOST OF WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID IT BUT I GO DOWN THAT TO THAT PARK EVERY MORNING, HAVE COFFEE, SIT AND MEET AND TALK TO PEOPLE AND WE -- WE HAVE SEEN THE FLOODING COMING DOWN SANDY CREEK WHICH WAS CAUSED BY SOMETHING THE CITY DID 100 YEARS

AGO T CREEKS ARE ALL STRAIGHT DOWN, NOT MEANDERED LIKE A CREEK IS SUPPOSED TO BAND AS SOON AS IT RAINS THE WATER OVERFLOWS. THIS LAST YEAR WE HAD WATER OVER OUR PICNIC BENCHES. FOUR-AND-A-HALF FEET OF WATER ON SANDY CREEK PARK COMING DOWN THERE. NO PLACE TO BE MESSING WITH IT.

IT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED INSTEAD OF MESSED UP EVEN WORSE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. [APPLAUSE] >> I'M JODY BART LET, TWO HOUSING UNITS IN THE AREA ACROSS THE SREET FROM PICKETT ROAD THAT WILL BE AFECTED. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY. I DN'T THINK IT'S TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT SEVERAL HUNDRED VACANT UNITS A MILE UP FRU SANDY CREEK PARK -- FROM SANDY CREEK PARK KNOWN AS VINTAGE DURHAM. THEY'RE NOT OCCUPIED NOW AND THAT'S GOING TO CREATE A GREAT DEAL MORE TRAFFIC AND SO IN THINKING ABOUT THIS, I THINK WE

HAVE IT FACTORED THAT IN -- V FACTORED THAT IN. I'M CONCERN ABOUT THE DISABLED. I THINK THIS IS ONE OF DURHAM'S FEW PARKS THAT HAS THAT DESIGNATION O OF BEING ACCESSIBLE, AND WITH EVEN MORE WATER, WITH CREATING MORE WATER, WE'RE MAKING IT LESS ACCESSIBLE TO OUR CHILDREN, OUR PEOPLE ON BIKES AND OUR PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS. I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING OF WALKING THIS AREA OVER THE YEARS WITH MIKE SHELFFIELD.

>> THANK YOU. >> JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE DEBRA PART LET, RIGHT? >> YES. >> LORRAINE SAL WALL DEAN, 3420 RIDGE ROAD. I AGREE WITH THE SPEAKERS 100% AND THEN SOME. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL, SO I PERSONALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE EASTBOUND HERE TONIGHT

DISCUSSING THIS. THE VISION OF OUR CITY IS THAT DURHAM WIL BE NORTH CAROLINA'S LEADING CITY IN PROVIDING AN EXCELLENT AND SUSTAINABLE QUALITY OF LIFE. I DO NOT SEE HOW ANYTHING IN THIS PROPOSAL CONTRIBUTES TO THAT VISION. AT THE RISK OF BEING DIFFICULT, JUST A REMINDER, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT US.

IN ADDITION, THE TRAFFIC. THERE IS NOT ONLY THE MEDIATE TRAFFIC ISSUE AROUND DURHAM ACADEMY UH BUT AS SOMEONE JUST PREVIOUSLY STATED, THERE IS THE PETTY ROAD BY PASS INTERSECTION APPROXIMATELY THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE EAST. >> THANK YOU. >> AND THEN YOU HAVE THE GARRETT PICKET TO THE WEST.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> MATT HARRIS, 105 LANDS BURY

DRIVE AND I WANT TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE COUNCIL AND SAY I THINK THAT WE ARE MISSING SOMETHING IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING EQUATION. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE FUTURE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE IF YOU LOOKED AT THE FLOODING PICTURE AND THE ADDITION OF IMPERVIOUS THE PEOPLE'S CARS SO NOT ONLY D ARE THY NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH PARKING THEY'RE GOING TO GET FLOODED EVERY TIME THERE'S A GIANT STORM AND THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THEM EVEN THOSE THOUGH WE'VE MADE IT AFFORDABLE AND WE ALL AGREE WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN DURHAM BUT NOT AT THE COST OF THE FUTURE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE. THE OTHER PART I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT WE KEEP APPROVING THESE PLANS THAT HAVE MARKET RATE UNITS AND THEN WE HAVE DISCOUNTS, BUT THAT MEANS WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY BUILDING MARKET RATE AFFORDABILITY. WE'RE NT BUILDING PROJECTS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE. WE'RE BUILDING THINGS AND DISCOUNTING THEM AND ALL THAT DOES IS CREATE INCENTIVE FOR DEVELOPERS TO THEN SAY OH KAY WELL HOW SOON CAN I GET THESE UNITS BACK TO MARKET RATE?

SO WE NEED A NEW PLAN. >> THANK YOU. >> WE CAN HAVE JOHN WOOD, PATRICIA OR PATRICK EMERSON, SARAH HELEN FISHER OR ELLEN? THIS IS A VERY CREATIVE FONT.

[LAUGHTER] UM... COM IS THE E-MAIL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I WANT YOU TO TELL ME ABOUT THIS HANDWRITING 'CUZ DIFFERENT. STEVEN HINT AND BROOK IMMANUEL. Y'ALL CAN COME ON UP.

ALL RIGHT. ARE YOU BRAD VALVE. >> THAT'S ME. GOOD EVENING, WOOD STREAM GLEN I LIVE THERE WITH MY 6 MONTH ONLY DAUGHTER DOGS AND WIFE.

SO THE POINT TO APARTMENTS THERE'S TWO ENORMOUS APARTMENTS WITHIN A MILE. VINTAGE DURHAM JUST STARTED LEASING, JUST FINISHED CONSTRUCTION, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC WILL BE THERE THAT. NORTH AND SOUTH LAN KAS TEST BOTH MOSTLY EMPTY BASED ON PARKING. BOTH CONNECTED TO BUS ROUTES AND PROVIDE AMPLE PARKING WHICH THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT ECONOMICAL IMPACT, I URGE YOU THINK TWCE ABOUT THIS ONE.

SANDY CREEK WILL BE DESTROYED BY THIS. FULL STOP. PERIOD. I WANT MY DAUGHTER TO LEARN TO RIDE HER BIKE ON THAT TRAIL. SHE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS AN ATTEMPT BY PENNY PINCHES OUT OF TOWN

DEVELOPER TO TURN A PLACE THAT'S FRAGILE TO A STACK OF APARTMENTS THAT WILL LIKELY STAND EMPTY UNDER THE GUSE OF PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. DON'T PASS THIS, IT'LL DESTROY THE PARK. >> THANK YOU. >> [INDISCERNIBLE].

THANK YOU. >> I'D LIKE TO REMIND YOU ALL EVEN THOUGH YOUR SNAPS ARE LOUD AS WELL, WE CAN STILL HEAR OVER THE SNAPS UH BUT WHEN CLAPPING IT MUTES THE SPEAKER, SO RESPECTFULLY I'LL ASK AGAIN, DO NOT CLAP SO WE CN HEAR. OKAY. >> STEVEN HINTS, 3424 RIDGE ROAD. I'M GOING TE REFRAIN FROM E PEATING REITERATING EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAID SO I'LL BE HERE TO ADD A PERSONAL ELEMENT TO THIS. I BELIEVE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROPOSAL WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE DESIRABILITY OF LIVING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS

THAT THIS TRAIL AND THOSE WOODS ARE ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE BOUGHT A HOUSE IN THIS AREA AND THIS PROJECT'S GOING TO DESTROY THAT, SO, UM, ALL VI TO SAY I'LL CEDE MY TIME. >> WHAT WAS YOUR NAME. >> STEPHEN HINTS. >> I SEE IT'S BACKWARDS, YEAH.

YOU'RE WELCOME. >> HELLO FISHER, 3817 WET CREST. IF DEVELOPMENT PAID FOR ITSELF PROPERTY TAXES WOULD NOT CONTINUE TO RISE. MY TAXES HAVE GONE UP 164% IN 24 YEARS, THAT'S ABOUT 7% A YEAR WAY OVER THE RATE OF INFLATION. THERE IS AN INSTITUTION [INDISCERNIBLE] ABSOLUTELY NO [INDISCER [INDISCERNIBLE] VESTED INTEREST IN MORE GROWTH.

WHAT HAPPENED WITH TOBACCO HEIR RESZ [INDISCERNIBLE] -- HEIRS UNABLE TO ORE -- TO RETRIEVE FUNDS -- THIS IS ABOUT MONEY. WE DON'T NEED HIGHER TAXES TO PAY FOR REZONING TO HIGHER DENSITY, WE NEED SMART GROWTH. THE TIME HAS COME TO MAKE THIS TO THE NATIONAL NEWS. THANK YOU.

>> NEXT. >> PATRICK EMERSON, CAMELOT COURT WHICH IS SANDY CREEK IS A NATURE PRESERVE IN DURHAM AND WE SHOULD PRESERVE IT. MUST PROTECT OUR NATURAL SPACES AND PUTTING APARTMENT COMPLEX NEXT TO THE CREEK WILL CREATE RUNOFF AND JEOPARDIZE THE

ECOSYSTEM. PLANNING COMISSION HAS VOTED. COMMUNITY SPOKEN OUT IN OVERWHELMING OPPOSITION TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. EVERYONE IS AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT.

DURHAM NEEDS TO PROTECT ARE NATURAL SPACES BEFORE THEY'RE ALL GONE. THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU. >> BROOKS IMMANUEL.

COLEADER OF FEMINIST BIRD CLUB TRYING TO MAKE OUTDOORS ACCESSIBLE TO EVERY. 185 SPECIES OF BIRDS HAVE BEEN OBSERVED ACCORDING TO COLONEL LAB, THAT'S OVER ONE-THIRD OF ALL THE BIRD SPE SIGHS IS THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA. TALKING ABOUT A BIODIVERSITY GEM. I DO MOST OF MY WORK FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE.

I WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT 10% OF THIS MASSIVE THING THAT'S NOT REAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THIS IS NOT THE SPOT FOR IT. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN ATLANTA, LIVED HERE 3-AND-A-HALF YEARS. WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN ATLANTA IS

GET PROPOSALS LIKE THIS WHERE LITTLE BIT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND EITHER THAT STAYS OR MAYBE IT GOES AWAY BUT IN THE END YOU HAVE A LOT OF LUXURY E EXPENSIVE BUILDINGS AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN ATLANTA IS WE'VE LOST GREEN SPACE AND LOST AFFORDABILITY BECAUSE PRICES HAVE GONE UP SO PLEASE SAVE SANDY CREEK. >> OKAY. IS THERE JOHN WOOD HERE? OKAY.

NO, THAT THREW ME OFF A LITTLE BIT. ELIZABETH BROWNRIDGE, SUJA WILLIAMS. THAT'S AN N, SANA WILLIAMS. ORVAL OSBORN, LOEL OAKLEY, AND

JOSLYN GLACIER. >> LIZ BROWN JUDGELIJ, LIVE IN DUKE FOREST NEIGHBORHOOD. MY PARTNER AND I LIVE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE PARK. WE CAN LEAVE THE CITY AND IMMEDIATELY BE IN A PLACE WHERE WE CAN SIT NEXT TO PEACEFUL PONDS.

WE LOVE TO GO THERE TO BIRD WATCH AND TO WALK THE FORESTED TRAILS. THIS PARK IS A SANCTUARY FOR DURHAM CITIZENS ON THEIR LUNCHBREAKS, OVER WEEKENDS FOR PLAYING GAMES, CELEBRATING BIRTHDAYS, HAVING MEMORIAL SERVICES. IT'S A LOCAL GEM FOR BIRDERS AND ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE IN NATURE. A RESOURCE THAT IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY RARE AS OUR AREA BECOMES MORE OVERBUILT.

PICKETT ROAD REZONING WILL DAMAGE THE PLACE. PLEASE REJECT IT. >> GOOD. >> SONIA WILLIAMS, 1116 BIRCH

AVENUE IN DURHAM. I DISCOVERED SANDY CREEK PARK BY ACCIDENT AND IWAS AMAZED. I'VE BEEN AN ENVIRONMENT EDUCATOR MOST OF MY ADULT LIFE AND IT IS A TRUE GENERAL. THE VALUE OF THIS PLACE AS AN EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CHILDREN IS IMMNSE.

THERE'S NOT MUCH ELSE LIKE IT IN THE CITY OF DURHAM. I PLEASE ASK THAT YOU SAVE IT. WE DO NOT NEED FOUR-STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS HERE NEAR IT. DECALS AND WINDOWS WILL NOT PREVENT BIRDS FROM HITTING THE BUILDINGS.

LOEL OAKLEY UH, RESIDE NEAR CORNWALLIS AND RIDGE, I'M A FOURTH GENERATION DURHAMITE AND VERY PROUD. I E WORK FOR BIKE DURHAM AS AN EDUCATOR OF THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAM WITHIN THE DURHAM PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM SO I'M THINKING ABOUT MY STUDENTS WITH THIS ONE AND THE NEXT GENERATION. I'M WORRIED ABOUT OUT OF STATE

DEVELOPERS WHO AREN'T ACTUALLY CONCERNED WITH WELL BEING OF THE CURRENT COMMUNITY. ESPECIALLY CONCERN WITH NE DEVELOPMENT WHILE CURRENT PROJECTS ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BE FILLED. 300 PLUS APARTMENTS WITHIN 2,400 FEET OF THIS PROJECT THAT IS LESS THAN 50% OCCUPIED. 900 APARTMENTS ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITHIN A MILE ON 15-501.

THESE UNITS ARE NOT PROPERLY FACTORED IN EITHER TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY. THERE'S NOT CURRENT LAY PROVEN SAFETY PLAN FACTORED IN WITH THE ADDITION OF THIS NEXT PROJECT. GENERATION OF DURHAMITES HERE. I HOPE YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM AND THE NEED FOR PROPER TRAFFIC -- THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. ORVAL OSBORN, 29 STONE RIDGE CIRCUMSTANCE UNTIL DURHAM.

THIS PROJECT WOULD AT 140 APARTMENTS AND ONLY 155 PARKING SPACES AT TWO PARKING SPACES PER APARTMENT, THERE WILL BE NOWHERE FOR 125 CARS TO PARK. NOWHERE. 3 MILES AWAY. PICKET STREET IS A BUSY, NARROW, TWO-LANE ROAD WITH NO SHOULDERS AND NO SIDEWALK.

THE CITY SHOULD APPROVE THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS WHERE THERE IS BUS SERVICE, SIDEWALKS AND ADEQUATE PARKING; HOWEVER, THIS PROPOSED LOCATION HAS NONE OF THESE FEATURES. PLEASE CONCUR WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION AND REJECT THIS PROPOSAL. THANK UH YOU. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> JOZLYN GLACIER, WEST WOODROW STREET. I WANT TO RETURN TO A COMMENT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER USED

BEFORE HE SAID, HE SAID USE THE POWER OF ZONING TO PROTECT DURHAM FROM ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION. I'M ASKING YOU TO DO THAT TODAY BY NOT VOTING FOR THIS. CAN THE DEVELOPER ENSURE THE RUN OFF WILL NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT EVERYTHING? THE CURRENT FLOODING CONCERNS THAT PERTAINS TO SANDY CREEK, VULNERABLE IRRESPONSIBLE.

I WANT TO REMIND US RESTORED SANDY CREEK AREA DID WETLANDS RERATION. THIS PROPOSAL SEEMS TO UP END COMMITMENT THAT THE CITY MADE YEARS AGO E IN 2003. ALSO JUST FINALLY THIS IS E EBERT HOT SPOT. BIGGEST CONTRIBUTOR TO EBERT HOT SPOT. >> THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS.

WELL DONE. MR. APPLICANT. >> PLEASE, MAY I SPEAK?

>> NO, I'M SORRY. DO YOU HAVE A RESPONSE. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> MA'AM, MA'AM, NO.

AND I WANT YOU TO STAY IN THE CHAMBERS, MA'AM, PLEASE, I WANT YOU TO STAY IN TH CHAMBER. >> NOBODY SAID THAT -- >> SIR. >> MA'AM. >> THANK UH YOU.

I JUST WANT TO TAKE A NOTE ADDRESS A COUPLE THINGS HEARD. THIS PICTURE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS MAYBE THE PERFECT ONE TO LOOK AT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON YOUR SCREEN OR NOT. QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WLL BE IMPACTED, WHAT IS FLORA ARE AND FAUNA SITUATION. THIS IS A GREAT PICTURE THAT THEY HAVE SITED THIS BUILDING AND PARKING ENVELOPE IN A LOCATION THAT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS AREA ALREADY HAS THREE SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES AND IS MOSTLY DEVOID OF TREES.

NOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DISCOUNT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS WITHIN THE PROPERTY. WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THEM. RIGHT. THAT IS KIND OF THE POINT.

AND A LOT OF FOLKS WRE CONCERNED, IT SEEMS, THAT THIS IS GOING TO RUIN THE PARK OR CLOSE THE PARK OR HAVE SOME IMPACT. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THIS IS GOING -- I MEAN, THE PARK IS GOING TO BE AN I AYE MENTEE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS WHY JUST LIKE IT'S A AMENITY TO ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA, THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS A GREAT LOCATION. KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS ALL -- THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLACE-TYPE MAP THAT YOU HVE HERE WHICH CALLS FOR APARTMENTS.

IT HAS TE APARTMENT TOWNHOME DESIGNATION HERE, RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THIS PROJECT IMPLEMENTS. UM AS I -- UH YOU KNOW AS I STATED EARLIER WE AGREE CONNECTIVITY TO SANDY CREEK PARK TO THE TRAIL IS IMPORTANT. IT'S GOING BE A GREAT ASSET IF THAT CAN BE COMPLETED.

THE IRONY IS NOT LOST ON ME TO HEAR DURHAM ACADEMY TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR THAT CONNECTION PARTICULARLY WHEN CIRCA 2011-2012 WHEN DURHAM ACADEMY WS DOING WORK O THEIR UPPER SCHOOL. NOT ONLY DID THEY NOT BUILD THE SIDEWALK ACROSS THEIR FRONTAGE ASKING IT TO BE BUILT NOW, THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OR EASEMENT FOR THE CITY UH TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND DO IT, THEY DID PAY A FEE IN LOU. IT WAS ABOUT $60,000. THAT'S WHAT THEY PAID INSTEAD OF BUILDING SIDEWALK.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE IRONY LOST LOST ON ME THAT THERE IS STILL ONE FOR THAT SIDEWALK FOR THAT CONNECTION. THIS PROJECT BINGS THAT TO ONE STEP CLOSER. IT UT DOESN'T COMPLETE IT. I'D BE OPEN AND HONEST ABOUT THAT BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING HAVE COMMITTED NOW UH TO PROVIDING CITY WITH THAT EASEMENT WITH THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY AND WITH THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY, $300,000 TO HELP FUND

THAT CONNECTION. THESE DEVELOPERS HAVE RISEN TO THE OCCASION AND THEY HAVE ADDRESSED EVERY CONCERN TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION. THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS HERE, WE GET IT. THERE IS TRAFFIC WHEN SCHOOL IS IN SESSION, WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING, BIK UP/DROP-OFF, THERE'S TRAFFIC THERE BUT THE MATERIALS SHOW YOU THAT PICKETT ROAD WHICH UNDER CAPACITY, 45% UNDER CAPACITY.

I MEAN IT'S JUST -- THIS IS A GREAT LOCATION FOR APARTMENTS AND I SUSPECT THAT IS EXACTLY WHY THE PLACE-TYPE MAP DESIGNATION WAS FOR APARTMENTS AND TOWNHOMES AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING HERE. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THOSE ARE ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS. I AM GOING THE DECLARE THIS PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AND BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL, BEFORE WE START ANY DELIBERATION, I AM GOING TO TAKE A 10-MINUTE BREAK FOR OUR CLOSED

CAPTIONERS AND WE WILL BE BACK AT 9:23.

>> ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE. WE CAN TAKE OUR SEATS. THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO APPRECIATE EVERYONE FOR YOUR COOPERATION TONIGHT. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCHING. I'VE BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME WITH KIDS AND I TELL THEM TO TUNE IN ON YOU TUBE AND THEY'RE WATCHING AND THEY ARE SEEING LOCAL GOVERNMENT AT WORK AT ITS BEST AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL WHILE PARENT V-- PASSIONATE, VEY RESPECTFUL AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AS WE GET INTO THIS

DELIBERATION. DON'T THROW ANY HEARTS OR SHOES, THROW LOVE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE LANDING ON THIS BUT WE'LL GET INTO IT. THE PUBLIC HEARING AS OFFICIALLY CLOSED AND BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL, AND I WILL BRING IT BACK BEFORE US AND WELCOME ANY COMMENTS.

COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER. >> OR JAVIERA OR RIST OR MAYOR PRO TEM. ARE WE JUST GOING ON A VOT. GO, MR.

MAYOR. GO AHEAD. >> ME? >> OKAY, GO AHEAD. >> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DONE ON THIS COUNCIL BEFORE, SO SOMETIMES -- AND I'M GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT HERE. SOMETIMES WHEN THERE IS SPACES WHERE I THINK THE APPLICANT AND COMMUNITY CAN CONTINUE CONVERSATIONS, THERE'S A WIN FOR EVERYONE AND WE ASK THE

APPLICANT IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN CONTINUANCE THAT WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER -- AND I'M GOING NAME THE THINGS THAT I THINK I NEED SOME CLARITY ON. I NEED CLARITY ON SOME OF THE PROBIRD BUILDING DESIGN PIECES. >> BIRD-FRIENDLY UH DESIGN. >> THANK UH YOU.

INCLUDING AROUND SOME OF THE LIGHTING ISSUES. I FELT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT RESINATED WITH ME. I WOULD ALSO ASK AND THIS IS POINTEDLY TO DURHAM ACADEMY ANDED THE APPLICANT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL $300,000.

BECAUSE DURHAM ACADEMY IS A PRIVATE SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, THE MECHANISM FOR US IS DIFFERENT SO I GUESS MY SECOND CHARGE IS IF DURHAM ACADEMY AND THE APPLICANT COULD FIGURE OUT IF THE SIDEWALK ISSUE IS SUCH A ISSUE FOR DURHAM ACADEMY, I CAN'T HELP YOU ON THE PARKING AND I'LL BE CLEAR ON THAT. WE HAVE FOUGHT HARD ON THIS COUNCIL TO LOWER PARKING REQUIREMENTS. IT IS A SUSTAIN AABILITY ISSUE.

Y'ALL COME IN HERE AND TALK ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS AND I'VE BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL SINCE 2018 HAVING DRAG OUT KNOCK DOWN BATTLES AROUND PARKING. I'M NOT GOING CEDE THAT AFTER -- THAT WAS HARD FOUGHT. I UNDERSTAND THE PARKING. IR UNIT I'M NOT GOING TO AS A COUNCIL MEMBER BACKTRACK ON A COMMITMENT I'VE MADE TO COMMUNITY AROUND SUSTAINABILITY AND WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A IN A 15-MINUTE CITY.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ISSUES THAT I THINK THERE COULD BE COMMONALITY. I CANNOT HELP FOLKS LIKE THE FOLK WHO IS DON'T WANT ANYTHING HERE. THE WAY THIS WORKS IS IT'S EITHER BY-RIGHT WHICH I THINK SOMEBODY ALONG THE WAY TALK AID UH BOUT, AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION MEANING WHATEVER CAN BE DEVELOPED THERE CAN BE DEVELOPED THERE OR WE TRY AND MOVE IT TO A REZONING THAT IS MORE IN LINE WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THIS APPLICATION DOES THAT. HE THAT'S WHERE I'M AT A AS AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER. I'M INTERESTED SEEING IF THERE'S A CONTINUANCE POSSIBLE TO SEE IF WE CAN COME TO CONSENSUS ON THOSE ISSUES. IF YOU ARE A RESIDENT WHO THE TRAFFIC PIECE, I BELIEVE AND I'VE DRIVEN AROUND THIS AREA A LOT, IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS A SCHOOL THERE.

PICKETT ROAD FOR THE MOST PART IS NOT A ROAD I UH CONSIDER TO BE OVERLY BURDENED WITH TRAFFIC. IT IS BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL AND THAT'S HOW IT IS AROUND EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL AT PICKUP AND DROP-OFF ACROSS DURHAM COUNTY. THAT'S NO UNIQUE TO THIS SITUATION. THAT'S WHERE I AM. I HOPE THAT PROVIDES SOME

GUIDANCE FOR MY COLLEAGUES AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I FIGURED I WOULD GO FIRST SO FOLKS COULD SEE WHERE I AM. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

TO YOUR COMMENT I'LL PASS IT ON BEFORE I SHARE MINE. MR. GHOSH, I AM GOING TO PIN YOU DOWN ON A COMMITMENT FOR OR AGAINST YOU STATED EARLIER ABOUT A PROFFER OF SOME TYPE OF BIRD-FRIENDLY DESIGN. I APPRECIATED THE PROFFER.

I NEED CLARITY ON WHAT EXACTLY I YOU WOULD COMMIT IF ANYTHING. >> WE WERE PROVIDED WITH INFORMATION AND SO I GUESS I COULD NARROW IT DWN TO THE BIRD-FRIENDLY DESIGN FEATURES WE THOUGHT WE COULD TRY TO IMPLEMENT HERE WOULD BE RELATED TO I'M GOING TO SAY THE WINDOWS. THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF OPTIONS THAT WE READ ABOUT, YOU UH KNOW, THAT CAN HELP ADDRESS THE BIRD POPULATION, SO THINGS LIKE

PATTERNED GLASS OR SURGEON TYPES OF WINDOW TINT OR FILM. THERE'S ALSO UV TINT THAT LOOKS DIFFERENT TO BIRDS, EVIDENTLY, AND DECALS. THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT. SO I MEAN I SUPPOSE I COULD MAKE THE COMMITMENT THAT AT LEAST ON OF THOSE TYPES OF WINDOW TREATMENTS THAT ARE BIRD-FRIENDLY WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.

>> MR. CAIN. >> GOING TO STATE THAT THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO OTHER COMMITMENTS YOU'VE SEEN REGARDING, SAY, RECREATIONAL AMENITIES WHERE AN APPLICANT OFFERS TO PROVIDE ONE OF A LIST OF TREATMENTS OR AMENITIES, FOR EXAMPLE, SO AS LONG AS THE LIST WAS SPECIFIC, IT WAS SOMETHING OUR INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT AND OUR SITE PLAN REVIEWERS WOULD BE ABLE TO IDENTITY THEN WE WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT COMMITMENT.

>> THANK YOU. >> CAN CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? YOU SAID THE PROFFER WOULD BE ONE OF A SET OF THINGS THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHOOSE FROM AMONG A LIST? >> YEAH, WE'VE SEEN THOSE BEFORE.

PARTICULARLY IT'S USUALLY FOR LIKE RECREATIONAL AMENITIES. YOU'LL SEE SOMETHING LIKE APPLICANT PROFFERS TO INSTALL ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: DOG PARK, PLAYGROUND, YOU KNOW, GAZEBO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO CHOOSE WHICH ONE O OF THOSE THEY WOULD DO AT SITE PLAN STAGE. THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. I WOULD IMAGINE WHERE THEY WOULD LIST A ONE OF THREE OR FOUR BIRD-FRIENDLY -- >> PRECISELY WHAT I HAD IN MIND.

>> THEY WOULD NEED TO PICK ONE AT EITHER SITE PLAN OR WHEN THEY GET TO CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS DEPENDING ON WHICH ONE. THAT'S HOW I'M UNDERSTANDING THE PROFFER. >> LIKE ONE OR MORE, THOUGH, RIGHT? >> THAT WOULD BE UP T THE APPLICANT HAS TO WHETHER IT WAS ONE BUT WE WANT TO BE SPECIFIC

WE WOULD NOT WANT IT TO SAY ONE OR MORE. WE WULD WANT IT TO SAY HOW MANY MORE? WE NEED TO HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER THAT WE COULD MAKE SURE THAT IS BEING DONE AND CAN KIND OF CHECK OFF AND ENSURE HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND PLANNED FOR. >> ANY OTHER COLLEAGUES?

GO AHEAD. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. WHAT ABOUT WITH LIGHTING BECAUSE THAT HAS ALSO BEEN RAISED 'CUZ YOU CAN DO LIKE DARK SKYLIGHTING. >> SO THE LIGHTING THE UDO ALREADY HAS LIGHTING GUIDELINES IN IT. GENERALLY SPEAKING AND CORRECT E ME IF I'M WRONG, MY UNDERSTANDING IS UDO DOES REQUIRE SHIELDED LIGHTING SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S DARK SKY COMPLIANT BUT THAT'S WHAT THE UDO HAS FOR EXPERIOD LIGHTING THAT WOULDN'T BE LIKE A FOCUS

AND THEN IT ALSO HAS OBVIOUSLY THERE'S LIKE THE FOOT-CANDLE LIMITATIONS AT THE PROPERTY LINE. THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE GOING O HAVE TO -- DEVELOPMENT. WE'LL HAVE TO ADHERE TO THOSE.

THERE ARE SOME LIGHTS, LIKE, UM, THE LIGHT YOU MIGHT FIND IN PARKING LOT IN THE MIDDLE WHERE IT CAN BE CHALLENGING TO USE YOU FIND UDO-COMPLIANT LIGHTS BUT THOSE HAVE FEWER LIMITATIONS ON THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO LIGHT A LARGER AREA. UM... >> OKAY. OKAY.

COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER. >> FIRST I WAS GOING JUST ASK IF YOU HEARD COUNCIL MEMBER CABALLERO'S QUESTION AND IF YOU HAD A REACTION TO THAT? >> ABOUT A CONTINUANCE? >> MM-HMM. >> I DID HEAR THE QUESTION, I

DON'T HAVE A REACTION AT THE MOMENT. I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE CLIENT TO SEE, BUT I CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. >> OKAY. I'LL KEEP GOING.

SO, UM, $300,000 TO TOWARD COMPLETION OF THE TRAIL TO THE EAST, CAN WE JUST GET A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXPLANATION -- FIRST OF ALL, WOULD YOU MIND TELLING ME WHAT YOUR TEAM ASSESSED THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY COST IN TOTAL? >> WELL, IN THIS CASE, THEY WOULD ACQUIRE THE EASEMENT, SO THE OWNER OF THAT PARCEL OWNS ONE OF THE PARCELS THAT IS PART OF THE ASSEMBLAGE, AND SO THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP THERE. SO WHAT, YOU UH KNOW, I'M NOT I DON'T DO THEIR TRANSACTIONAL WORK, I COUNT TELL YOU ABOUT IT BUT THEY'LL FEEL CONFIDENT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET THE EASEMENT AND THE APPROPRIATE RIGHT-OF-WAY FO THAT CONNECTION SO THAT'S PART OF IT. THAT, I DON'T KNOW THERE WAS ANY KIND OF VALUE SIGN TO IT.

THEY DID NOT -- WE DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO COMPLETE THAT BUT ILY TELL YOU IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN $300,000. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SECTION OF PICKETT ROAD, ON SOUTH SIDE OF PICKETT ROAD GOING FROM THE EASTERN EDGE OF OUR PROPERTY GOING EAST TO SHADY CREEK TRAIL, THERE ARE TWO STS OF CULVERTS THAT GO UNDER PICKETT ROAD AND THEY ARE BOTH TRIPLE CULVERTS SO IN ONE LOCATION THERE'S TRIPLE CONCRETE CULVERT AND AT ANOTHER LOCATION THERE'S TRIPLE CORRUGATED CULVERTS THAT GO UNDER THE ROAD. SO IN ORDER TO BUILD SIDEWALK THAT WILL GO BY THERE YOU HAVE TO EXTND THOSE CULVERTS TO SUPPORT THE 10 FOOT MULTI USE PATH THAT'LL GO OVER ON TOP OF IT. RIGHT NOW, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY DOESN'T EXIST, THE CULVERTS SUPPORT THE ROAD AND THAT'S IT AND IT NEXT DOWN AT THOSE CULVERTS THERE'S RAILS, I GUESS,

YOU KNOW, WHERE THE TO SUPPORT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO SO ALL THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE EXPANDED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THAT 10-FOOT MULTIUSE TRAIL THROUGH THERE. >> STFF, CAN YOU TEL US ABOUT THAT MECHANISM, HOW THAT WOULD WORK. >> THE MECHANISM WOULD BE TO USE THE $300,000 DOLLAR GO INTO THE CITY'S PAYMENT IN LIEU, WE COULD NOT EARMARK THAT DIRECTLY NOR PROJECT. THE CITY COULD NOT PROMISE THAT THE $300,000 WOULD GO TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S DAYLIGHTED. >> THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER] >> CAN YOU TALK MORE ABOUT THESE, THE GREEN BUILDING AND CAN YOU COMPARE THAT TO 'CUZ I'M NOT SUPER FAMILIAR CAN YOU COMPARE THAT NO LEED? >> UM, THE -- SORRY.

THE ENERGY STAR NEW CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM THOSE CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS THAT'S WHAT IS REQUIRED IN OURLY TECH DEVELOPMENTS BY NCHFA SO THEY ARE GEARED TOWARDS REDUCING THE RESIDENTS' UTILITY BILLS. I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO COMPARE THEM TO LEED, ALTHOUGH MY UNDERSTANDING IS WITH THE LEED CERTIFICATIONS, A LOT OF THOSE, I GUESS I WOULD SAY YOU CAN GET POINTS FOR THINGS LIKE WHERE YOU SOURCE THE MATERIALS AND UH HOW SUSTAINABLE THE MATERIALS ARE IN THE BUILDING. THIS HAS TO DO MORE SO WITH THE EFFICIENCY DESIGN AROUND THE UTILITIES, THE HVAC AND THOSE TYPES O OF SYSTEMS, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS THE PROGRAM THAT IS USED BY NCHFA FOR LI TECH PROJECT, THAT'S WHAT

IT IS. >> OKAY. I MIGHT HAVE MOE QUESTIONS BUT I'LL LET MY COLLEAGUES SPEAK. >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU AL FOR COMING OUT FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND ENGAGEMENT HERE. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS AND I MAY HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. A COUPLE YEARS AGO I WAS INVITED TO SPEAK AT DURHAM ACADEMY. THE STUDENTS WERE DOING A MODULE ON CIVIL ENGAGEMENT IN GOVERNMENT AND ONE STUDENT ASKED ME WHAT'S THE HARDEST PART OF THIS JOB.

TALKED ABOUT CRIME. TALKED ABOUT HOUSING. TALKED ABOUT HOW DO WE WELCOME PEOPLE THAT MOVE HERE AS WELL AND STUDENTS HAD BRILLIANT IDEAS. I HOPE THY'RE LISTENING TONIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS O OF HOW WE MAKE TESE HARD DECISIONS AS A CITY THAT'S GROWING DESIROUS. I WANT TO RESPECTFULLY EVEN ASIDE FROM WHATEVER THE ULTIMATE

VOTE IS, I WANT TO RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT WE'RE MINDFUL OF SOME OF THE LANGUAGE WE USE WHEN WE DISCUSS ISSUES AT CITIZENS AND NEIGHBORS. THE MAYOR EARLIER WHEN HE SAID HE ASSUMED YOU KNEW EACH OTHER AND THERE WAS A, NO WE DON'T. I ASSUME IT WAS PICKET AND MORIAH DIDN'T KNOW EACH OTHER BUT I HEARD ONE OF THE COMMENTS TONIGHT THAT THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT STRANGERS WALKING ON SCHOOL GROUNDS AND THROUGH THE PARK WHICH IS KIND OF FUNNY BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER NOW HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY STRANGER? WHAT MAKES THEM A STRANGEER?

IF YOU DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER WHO YOU SIT NEXT TO NOW. I WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, FIRSTLY. UM, AND TRY AND HEAR IT FROM SOMEONE ELSE'S POSITION -- I SAID TO THOSE STUDENTS. WHAT PART OF OUR CITY IS EXEMPT FROM THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE GOING

THROUGH? LET ME FULL DISCLOSURE, I LIVED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD IN DURHAM YEARS AGO. I LOVED IT BECAUSE OF THE TREES. DOESN'T LOK THE WAY IT DOES ANYMORE.

THERE WAS A GOLF COURSE THERE. THAT'S GONE. THERE ARE HOUSES THERE. I'M A FAIRLY INFLUENTIAL PERSON IN THE CITY AND I COULD NOT EXEMPT MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE CHANGES A AND PRESSURES OF GROWTH IN THE CITY.

I WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN APARTMENTS DESIRE TO LIVE NEAR PARKS. PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN APARTMENTS DESERVE TO LIVE NEAR PARKS. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF CALCULUS THAT WE'RE EMPLOYING WHERE WE CAN DETERMINE THIS HOUSE IS IT TO PRESERVE A NEIGHBORHOOD. WE BUILT ENOUGH AND IF YOU WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET THERE BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE HAPPENS THEN THAT'S IT.

THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS CITY THAT HAS BEEN EXEMPTED FROM THE PRESSURES OF GROWTH -- NONE. AND I UH DON'T KNOW HOW TO CHOOSE WHICH ONE WILL BE. AND BY THE WAY, I HAVEN'T DECIDED HOW I'M GOING TO VOTE YET BUT I WANT TO TALK TO HOW THE CONVERSATION'S BEEN PROSECUTED THUS FAR. SO I ALSO -- AND I LISTENED VERY CAREFULLY.

THE NOTION THAT THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX WILL DESTROY THE PARK OR DESTROY THE PATHS I FIND UNCOMPELLING. UM, IF WE WERE TO BUILD, I DON'T KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, $900,000 A PIECE INSTEAD OF APARTMENTS; IS THAT MORE DESIRABLE. WOULD THOSE FOLK BE MORE RECOGNIZABLE THAN THE STRANGERS THAT WOULD COME FROM THE APARTMENT COME -- COMPLEX? I WANT US TO THINK ABOUT SOME

ARGUMENTS WE'VE MADE HERE TONIGHT. TO COUNCIL MEMBER CABALLERO'S POINT, I MEAN VI NO PROBLEM WITH A CONTINUANCE IF THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO LOOK AT -- I MEAN I THINK THE BIRD-FRIENDLY -- IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THE BIRD-FRIENDLY ARCHITECTURE MEETING OUR CONCERNS, BUT WHAT I NEED WHEN I'M -- WHAT I'M PRESSED BY IS WHAT DEVELOPMENT THERE -- AND IT'S ZONED FOR APARTMENTS AND TOWNHOMES -- THE PLACE-TYPE MAP HAS IT DESIGNATED AS APARTMENTED AND TOWHOMES. SOMETHING IS GOING BE BUILT THERE. BY RIGHT OR BY US WEIGHING THE MENU OF OPTIONS BEFORE US AND TRYING TO GET SOMETHING BETTER AND THAT POINT WAS MADE EARLIER, BUT SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE BUILD. STATISTICALLY -- AND I WANT TO SPEAK TO YOU HONESTLY -- I BELIEVE MOST PEOPLE HERE WANT TO ENGAGE AND GET A GOOD DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. I KNOW THERE'S A PERCENTAGE OF FOLK WHO DON'T WANT ANYTHING BUILT THERE EVER.

THAT PERCENTAGE IS THERE AND THOSE VOICES HAVE BEEN HEARD, AND I GET IT. I LIVED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS COVERED WITH TREES AND I SAW A DEER AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT ANYMORE. SO I FEEL YOU. I FEEL YOU.

THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE MAKE DECISIONS THAT GET US AS CLOSE TO THE TYPE OF CITY WE WANT TO LIVE IN BECAUSE SOMETHING IS GOING TO GO THERE. EVEN WHEN WE SAY NO AS A COUNCIL, IT'S YES TO SOMETHING ELSE. WHEN WE SAY YES TO A COUNCIL, TG NO TO SOMETHINGLESS. P I WISH WE WERE AS POWERFUL AS PEOPLE THINK WE ARE, BUT SOMETHING IS GOING THERE. I WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE PROFFER FOR THE EXTENSION, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT'S BEEN PROFFERED $300,000. I'M CURIOUS IF DA WOULD BE

WILLING TO PUT UP MONEY AS WELL IN A FUND TO COMPLETE THAT TRAIL, THAT CONNECTION, RATHER. BUT I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR AND I'LL END HERE: IF WE VOTE NO ON THIS, SOMETHING IS GOING THERE, BUT BEYOND THAT, I WANT US TO THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE WAY WE'VE PROSECUTED THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT O NOT BUT I RESPECTFULLY PUT THAT TO US. I AGREE, I THINK THAT YOUNG MAN, YOUNG BOY BABY WHO WAS SHOT SHOULD HAVE PLACES TO GO. SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME TO PARKS LIKE THIS.

I THINK IF IT'S FAMILY WANTS TO GET AN APARTMENT NEAR A PLCE LIKE THAT, SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SO AS WELL. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. >> THANK YOU UH.

COUNCIL MEMBER RIST. >> THANK YOU. AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. UH I LOVE THE COMMUNITY

ENGAGEMENT HERE AND I LOVE THIS PART OF TOWN. BEAUTIFUL AREA. I'M A BIG FAN OF SANDY CREEK PARK. BEEN BIRD WATCHING THERE.

I JUST GOT A PICTURE TODAY FROM A FRIEND WHO'S IN A WHEELCHAIR WHO WAS BIRDING THERE RECENTLY, I GET THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO GO. I THINK THERE'S A LOT AS MY COLLEAGUE JUST SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES HERE THAT ARE TO LIKE ABOUT THIS. IT'S ZONED APARTMENT TOWN HOUSE IN THE MAP. THE 10% AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AN PARENT PIECE THERE.

PART OF F THIS IS IT'S LIKE 30% AT 60%... THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE THERE. WE'VE HEARD CONCERNS, ON THE PARKING, WE'VE WORKED HARD TO REDUCE PARKING MINIMUM. 3 MILES AWAY. IS MAYBE THE NEW WAY WE THINK

ABOUT CITIES. THE STORMWATER PIECE, I ASKED STAFF IF STORM WATER IS A CONCERN BUT THE WAY WE DO STORMWATER WE TALK ABOUT THIS EVERY MONTH WE HAVE SOME OF THE BEST POST CONSTRUCTION STORMWATER CONTROLS IN THE ENTIRE STATE SO THE RULES SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE WATER COMING OFF YOUR PROPERTY AFTERWARDS THAN BEFORE, SO THE STORMWATER PIECE I THINK WEVE GOT THAT UNDER CONTROL. THE TRAFFIC PIECE I KNOW AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID THERE'S TRAFFIC DURING SCHOOL HOURS. IF WE BELIEVE OUR STAFF WE HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR OUR STAFF, OUR STAFF ARE TELLING US THAT THIS ROAD IS AT 56% CAPACITY THE.

IF WE'RE GOING BE DATA INFORMED, THAT'S WHAT THE DATA SAYS. THE TWO PIECES TO ME THAT ARE OF CONCERN IS THIS CONNECTIVITY PIECE. WE WANT TO BUILD A CITY THAT'S CONNECTED. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A MULTIUSE PATH ACROSS FRONTAGE AND DOESN'T CONNECT.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT MAKING THIS CONNECTION THERE. I THINK WE NAY MAY NEED MORE TIME FOR THAT. I ALSO AGIN, AND I WANT TO

THANK THE BIRD ALLIANCE -- THEY'RE THE ONES THAT TIPPED ME OFF TO TE AMERICAN BIRD FRIENDLY DESIGN GUIDE. THAT'S IMPORTANT PIECE HERE. I THINK WE CAN FIND SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A UNIQUE DESIGN TO ADDRESS. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT SET OF THINGS WE'RE LISTING SO MORE TIME FOR THAT.

ULTIMATELY, I SEE OPPORTUNITY HERE AND I WANT TO GIVE -- I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE MYOR PRO TEM. I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE SAME ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, THIS CASE, AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT OPPORTUNITY AND POSSIBILITY. WE JUST HAD A GUEST PREACHER AT MY CHURCH -- I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO OUR TURF AS A PREACHER -- BUT HE SPOKE ABOUT A PASS NJ JOHN WHERE JESUS TALKS ABOUT BEING A GOOD SHEPHERD AND HE SAYS IN THE PASSAGE -- I'M SURE YOU KNOW THIS -- HE'S DESCRIBING THE GOOD SHEPHERD ANDALITY THE END HE SAYS I HAVE OTHER SHEEP

THAT DO NOT BELONG TO THIS FOLD, THINK THIS IS ABOUT BRINGING I PEOPLE IN. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY MY FRIENDS, THOSE IN WHEELCHAIRS, BU PEOPLE THROUGHOUT DURHAM CAN GO TO SANDY CREEK PARK THAT IF THIS IS FOR ALL PEOPLE NOT JUST FOR ONE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GO BIRD THERE. I THINK THIS IS ABOUT POSSIBILITY AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE IDEA OF TAKING A LITTLE MORE TIME TO ADDRESS ISSUE ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT THE BIRDS AND THE BUILDING TO ADDRESS CONNECT TITY BUT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY HERE TO MAKE A WIN FOR ALL OF DURHAM SO THAT'S WHERE I'M STANDING. >> THANK YOU, COLLEAGUES FOR YOUR CMMEND COMMENTS AND THANK YOU TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO IS HAVE SHOWED UP. I TEND TO TRY AND BE AS OBJECTIVE AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE I WANT TO -- THERE ISES A PARTICULAR WY I FEEL ABOUT JUST ABOUT EVERY CASE THAT COME

THROUGH, EVERY AGENDA ITEM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS I GET MORE EMOTIONALLY TRIG GERED ON, USUALLY THAT'S AROUND OUR YOUTH, AND JUST HOW WE INTERACT AS A COMMUNITY. BUT I KNOW WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STHAINGS IN YUR BACKYARD THAT IS AFEKFECTING YOU DIRECTLY, YOU HAVE YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND YOU'RE GOING TO SHARE THOSE SO TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TO SHARE THAT. COLLEAGUES, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. REALLY HELPS ME SORT OF PACK IT ALL IN. FOR ME, WE HAVE MADE A FEW STEPS AND I PARTICULARLY TO A COMMENT EARLIER, I OWN RESTAURANTS, I SELL CHICKEN FOR A LIVING WITH MY WIFE AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE ALWAYS RENTING OR LEESZING A SPACE IS BECAUSE WE CN NEVER AFFORD OUR OWN. PARKING IS ABOUT $75,000 PER

PARKING SPOT AND THE AMOUNT OF PARKING YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE AT A COMMERCIAL SPACE IS OUTRAGEOUS SO WE TOOK THE ROUTE OF LEASING. BEFORE MY TIME THON COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL ADVOCATING TO REDUCE THOSE REQUIREMENTS AROUND PARKING. I KNOW THE BIG FIGHT BUT I APPRECIATE YOU DOING IT BECAUSE THE NEXT FOLKS THAT TRY TO OPEN A BUSINESS AND DO BUSINESS IN DURHAM OR TRY AND HAVE A HOME OR BUILD WHATEVER THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD WON'T HAVE TO HAVE SUCH A HIGH BURDEN AND INSTEAD OF HAVING A REQUIREMENT, THEY CAN HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE RELATIVE TO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD. THAT WAS A POLICY DECISION THAT YOU GUYS MADE OBJECTIVELY, AND THEN I GOT ON COUNCIL AND I WAS STILL LEARNING TERMINOLOGY WHEN COUNCIL WAS TALKING ABOUT AN URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY AND PART OF THAT URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY

WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THIS SPRAWL UNDER CONTROL. UNDER CONTROL. THERE WAS F A COMMENT MADE EARLIER IN THE MIGHT ABOUT WE NEED TO FORCE EVERYBODY TO BUILD OUTSIDE NOT OUT THERE. I UNDERSTAND WHERE IT COMES FROM, BUT IT IS NOT LOGICAL BECAUSE IT T DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN OUR AUTHORITY -- IF YOU FOLLOW ME.

UM, UH BUT THE COUNCIL PLACED THAT URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY THERE TO HAVE SOME SENSE OF CONTROL ON, YOU KNOW, HOW WE DENSIFY. ANYTHING INSIDE OF THAT URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY IS CALLED IN FILL AND THAT'S HOW WE ADDRESS OUR SUPPLY VERSUS DEMAND. IT ADDRESSES HOW WE ARE, UM, DIVERSIFYING OUR HOUSING STOCK, AND THAT CAN BE GREAT FOR SOME

AND PAINFUL FOR OTHERS. IT GETS US INTO THE CONVERSATION AROUND CHARACTER O OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. IT GETS US INTO CONVERSATIONS AROUND HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY LIVE HERE BASED ON THE ROADS. WE HAVE TO CONSIDER A LOT.

I WILL SAY FOR OUR PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH IS AN ADVISORY GROUP, OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONEN COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER USED TO SERVE AS CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I BELIEVE -- WELL, HE WAS ON THERE. THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKS AT THE CASE AND I LISTEN TO THE THINGS AROUND IT. WHEN YOU'RE ON COUNCIL, YOU HAVE TO LISTEN AND FOCUS ON THE CASE AND HOW THE CASE PLAYS A ROLE IN THE BROADER SCHEME OF THINGS, IN THE ENTIRE CITY, AND IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE ROOT OF THESE COMMENTS, BUT I HAVE TRUBLE FOLLOWING WHEN WE SAY WE WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT THE THINGS WE'RE DOING ARE MAKING IT

MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. ALL RIGHT. AND ALSO I THINK SOMETIMES I SPOKE TO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE HERE OR NOT BUT I SPOKE TO ONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND I SAID, EVEN IF THE COUNCIL DENIES THAT DOESN'T MEAN NOTHING HAPPENS AND THAT'S JUST A REALITY. THERE ARE LIMITATIONS THAT WE HAVE, BUT THERE ARE ALSO THINGS WE CAN DO HERE, AND WE CAN SAY NO TONIGHT, UM, AND THE DEVELOPER SAY ALL RIGHT WE'LL GOING TO TEAR IT UP AND BUILD WHAT I CAN AND YOU CAN COME TO US AND YELL ABOUT IT BUT THERE'S NOT ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. ATION AS MUCH THE COUNCIL ALSO CAME UP WITH A COMP PLAN WHERE IT'S A COUNTY-WIDE ASSESSMENT OF WHAT GOES WHERE, WHAT SHOULD GO

WHERE, WHAT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE HERE, AND ON THE PLACE-TYPE MAP WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY IT'S BEING PROPOSED IS WHAT TH PLACE-TYPE MAP ACTUALLY SAYS SHOULD BE THERE. AND SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DATA, YES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PERIMETERS THAT WE PLACED IN HOW WE CONTROL AND/OR NOT NECESSARILY CONTROL BUT MITIGATE THE GROWTH OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT IT OBJECTIVELY, DOES IT MEET THE PLACE-TYPE MAP? YES.

IS IT T IN THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY? YES. DOES IT ALLOW US TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING SUPPLY ISSUE BY ALLOWING US TO DENSIFY? YES. DOES IT DIVERSIFY OUR HOUSING TYPE? NOW ARE THERE CHARACTERISTIC THINGS WE NEED TO ADDRESS SUCH AS THE SENSITIVITY TO WHERE THIS

IS? ABSOLUTELY, YES. IS IT -- DOES IT FLOOD OVER THERE NOW? YES.

WILL THIS DEVELOPMENT CAUSE IT TO FLOOD MORE? >> YES. >> EXCUSE ME. IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ILLEGAL TO CAUSE IT TO FLOOD MORE.

>>. [LAUGHTER] >> OKAY. SO THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE SIGNATURING HERE THINKING THROUGH THIS TONIGHT, I COULD LITERALLY SIT RIGHT HERE AND SAY ALL RIGHT, THIS IS GOING TO MAKE IT FLOOD MORE AND I'M GOING TO SAY MORE BECAUSE IT'S GOING T FLOOD MORE DUE TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S A LEGAL STANDING TO BRING THAT RIGHT BACK AT ME AND SAY WHERE'S YOUR UDO, WHAT DOES THIS DOCUMENT SAY? IT SAYS WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO AND WE'VE SHOWED YOU OUR ENGINEERING IS NOT GOING TO ALLOW IT TO DO

SO, AND THEN GUESS WHAT, THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT. SO I HAVE TO TAKE MYSELF OUT OF IT E EMOTIONALLY AND THINK OF IT OBJECTIVELY. THEN I GET BACK INTO LIKE ALL OF THE SENSITIVITIES, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT AND THAT'S WHY I STATED, UM, TO YOU, MR. GHOSH AND TO STAFF, I NEED A MORE CONCRET CONCRETE COMMITMENT WHICH I APPRECIATE NOW ON ADDRESSING THE BIRD INTERACTION THERE. I WOULD ALSO LIKE LITTLE MORE CLARITY -- I DIDN'T FOLLOW AS MUCH ON THE LIGHTING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A LIGHTING LIGHTENING ENGINEER OR WHAT BUT THE I COULD GET A BIT MORE CLARITY ON WHAT YOU WERE SAYING AROUND THE LIGHTING AND HOW UH THAT COULD E POTENTIALLY AFFECT -- IT WAS A LITTLE FLUFFY TO ME AND I DIDN'T FOLLOW. COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT AGAIN,

PLEASE? >> YES, TO BE CLEAR ON THE LIGHTING, I WASN'T MAKING ANY ADDITIONAL COMMITMENT I WAS EXPLAINING THAT THE UDO LIGHTING THEY'RE DARK SKY COMPLIANT, BUT THEY DO HAVE DIRECTIONAL SHIELDING. IT IS REQUIRED FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF LIGHTS. I THINK THE, MAYBE I WAS EXPLAINING SOME OF THE LIGHTING TYPES YOU CAN USE IN A PARKING FIELD, THOSE ARE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE OR LESS DARK SKY COMPLIANT THAN OTHER LIGHTS AND I DON'T KNOW THAT E WE HAVE A DESIGN ON THE LIGHTS RIGHT NOW SO I COULDN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THE PROJECT WOULD IMPLEMENT.

>> OKAY. UM, QUESTION FOR -- >> WAITING FOR YOUR QUESTION. >> QUESTION FOR YOU ALL. I DID HEAR A FEW COMMENTS THAT THIS STRUCTURE WOULD DESTROY AND

I WANT TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF ASSESSING THE IMPACT ON THE ACTUAL CREEK, ITSELF. >> AS YOU STATED OUR CIY CODE REQUIRES THERE NOT BE MORE VOLUME AND RUOFF POST DEVELOPMENT THAN PREDEVELOPMENT AND THE SITE HAS TO BE ENGINEERED TO THAT STANDARD AND THAT IS REVIEWED BY OUR STORMWATER SERVICES DIVISION IN PUBLIC WORKS TO ENSURE THAT THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE AND THAT THOSE STORMWATER CONTROL MEASURES WOULD BE IN PLACE. 5 FOOT-CANDLES. 5 FOOT-CANDLES IS, BUT I'M GUESSING NOT PARTICULARLY BRIGHT.

>> OKAY. >> BECAUSE IT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL? >> BECAUSE IT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL, YES. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COLLEAGUES, ARE THERE ANY OTHER

COMMENTS? >> I DID HEAR BACK FROM MY CLIENT ON A CONTINUANCE. LITTLE UNCLEAR. I DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHECK WITH WITH STAFF.

IT WAS UNCLEAR WHEN IF THIS ITEM WERE GOING TO BE CONTINUED, TO WHEN. >> AND WHAT WOULD BE RESOLVED IN CONTINUANCE? >> THE TWO ISSUES THAT I THINK THAT COULD BE CONSENSUS ON. I THINK THERE WAS A LOT SAID IN THIS ROOM THAT CAN HAVE CONSENSUS ON, SPECIFICALLY THE SIDEWALK PIECE T CONNECTION TO THE SANDY RIDGE PARK AND MY ASK IS THAT DURHAM ACADEMY AND I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT WHAT COULD FINANCIALLY BE THOUGHT THROUGH WHAT CREATIVITY OR INNOVATIVE

APPROACH COULD BE ARRIVED AT, THAT PIECE, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY JUST AROUND THE -- AND I GOT THE POTENTIAL MULTICHOICE ANSWER THAT WAS AROUND THE BIRD -- >> WINDOW TREATMENT, SURE. >> BUT I WOULD LIKE CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AROUND THAT. I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO HAVE HONEST CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FOLKS WHO ARE WHEN GENERAL WHENLY WANTING TO WORK ON THIS. TO WORK ON THAT.

I FEEL LIKE A FEW YEARS AGO THERE WAS A PRODUCT WHERE THERE WAS A LOT OF ISSUES AROUND A WILDLIFE CROSSING AND THE SAME THING. WE ASKED FOR CONTINUANCE. THE FOLKS WHO HAD SOME ISSUEst AROUND WHY WOULD LIVE CROSSING WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT AND ENDED UP BEING VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE SOLUTION THEY ARRIVED AT AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR TONIGHT. I THINK IF FOLKS ARE ACTUALLY AMENABLE TO WORKING TOGETHER,

UM, WE CAN ARRIVE TO A PLACE THAT A LEAST ALLEVIATES THOSE WHAT I THINK VERY SPECIFIC CONCERNS THAT RESINATED AND I CANNOT HELP THE FOLKS WHO ARE LIKE I DON'T WANT ANY TALL BUILDINGS NEAR A PARK, WE CANNOT HELP THAT UNLESS YOU DON'T WANT ANY BUILDING EVER, AND THAT'S -- I TRY TO BE A REAL TRANSPARENT COUNCIL MEMBER, I DON'T WORK THAT WAY. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT I THINK I HEARD OUT OF MANY COMMENTS THAT THERE COULD BE SOME CLEAR SOLUTIONS ARRIVED AT. THANK UH YOU. >> WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE?

>> SO I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THAT. I'VE TALKED TO THE CLIENTS ABOUT WHETHER THEY'D BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT ACTUALLY MAKING THE CONNECTION AND I CAN TELL YOU THEY'VE LOOKED AT THAT. THERE ARE TWO THINGS. ONE, THEY DON'T THINK FINANCIALLY THAT THEIR PROJECT COULD DO THE FULL WEIGHT OF THE CONNECTION. THAT'S ONE.

AND THEN TWO, TIMINGWISE, TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO HAVE THAT THING COMPLETED YOU KNOW I THINK IS GOING TO BE VERY -- I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT TYPE OF COMMITMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE CONCERNED THAT IT'S LIKELY GOING TO TAKE LONGER TO MAKE THAT SIDEWALK CONNECTION THAN IT IS REALLY GOING TO TAKE TO BUILD THE BUILDING BASED OFF OF THE CULVERTS THAT NEED TO BE EXTENDED AND PERMITTED FOR THAT. CULVERTS, YOU KNOW AND THE WETLAND IMPACTS, THERE'S A LOT MORE INVOLVED WITH THAT PERMITTING. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'VE MADE A VERY SIGNIFICANT EFFORT COMPLETED, AND AS I SAID, THEY'RE OPEN TO TAKE MORE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT I WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY THEY'LL COMMIT TO HAVING THAT CONNECTION INSTALLED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. IT IS OO BIG UNDERTAKING AND I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE GOING BASETO B

ABLE TO GET -- AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY WOULD BE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR IT IF IT'S A COMMITMENT THON ZONING. THAT IS A DIFFICULT PILL TO SWALLOW, SO, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO -- I'LL STOP THERE. >> OKAY. COLLEAGUES, I WILL PULL THIS BACK TO US.

THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE LITTLE MORE -- WELL NOT NECESSARILY CLARITY, I JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU JUST STATED I DON'T KNOW WHEN -- I DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A TIMELY BEN FOIT TIS PROJECT. I LOOK AT THIS PROJECT INDIVIDUALLY DESPITE HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT THE PROs OUTWEIGH THE CONS AND I WOULD BE PREPARED TO MOVE TONIGHT BUT I WILL POLL EACH OF YOU AND SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. BUT WE'RE -- >> HEAR FROM STAFF ON DATES

BECAUSE THAT WAS THE THING THAT, YEAH, 'CUZ YOU KNOW IF WE'RE SAYING ONE CYCLE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ENOUGH BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE BURDEN SOME TO THE APPLICANT. SOMETIMES THEY'RE LIKE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR WHATEVER. >> WE WOULD RECOMMEND THIS BE CONTINUED TO THE APRIL 21st MEETING, THREE WEEKS FOR THE APPLICANT TO HAVE MEETINGS AND RESOLVE THINGS AND THEN GET MATERIALS BACK TO US AND WELD HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO GET IT INTO ON BASTE AND SO FORTH. >> WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE?

>> I CAN TELL YOU UH-UH I DON'T HAVE THE AUHORITY TO GO OUT TO APRIL, SO I GUESS, I'M SORRY. >> ALL RIGHT. YEAH, SURE. >> SO I HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS. >> YEP. >> SOUNDS LIKE ANY SORT OF COMMITMENT TO YOU MAKE, YOU NEED TO TALK TO THE APPLICANT,

CORRECT? TO YOUR CLIENT? >> OH, YES, SURE, YES. >> WELL, UM, SO LET ME GO AHEAD AND ASK, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL STORMWATER, GREEN BUILDING-TYPE MITIGATION COMMITMENTS YOU HAVE PONDERED OR COULD MAKE?

>> WE LOOKED AT STORMWATER AND I EXPLAINED EARLIER THAT THIS SITE IS ACTUALLY MICHAEL FIACO, I KNOW THAT'S NOT HOW YOU PRONOUNCE IT IS OUR ENGINEER ON THIS, HE MIGHT BE BETTER SUITED TO ANSWER THIS. GIVEN WHERE THIS SITE IS IN THE BASIN IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO THE STANDARD AMOUNT OF DETENTION RATHER THAN TRY TO DETAIN MORE BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO GET OVERWHELMED GIVEN LOCATION IN THE BASIN AND COULD BACKUP. SO WE DID LOOK AT THAT, UM, I THINK ULTIMATELY OUR -- MIKE,

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG -- BUT YOU RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE NOT TO DO DETENTION HERE FOR THAT. CONSISTENT WITH ORE THINGS. >> MICHAEL WITH CIVIL CNSU ASSISTANTS. AND YES, WE WOULD BE DETAINING THE CERTAIN STORMS TO THE PREDEVELOPMENT LEVEL, AND A FLOODPLAIN SUCH AS THIS, IT MAKES SENSE TO LET SOME OF THAT WATER GO BEFORE THE BULK OF THE WATER HITS YOU AND ACTUALLY INCREASES THE FLOODING LEVEL.

SO YOU HAVE BOTH DETENTION AND RELEASE OCCURRING AT THE SAME TIME. >> IF I COULD -- SPOKE WITH PLANNING DIRECTOR IF I COULD MAKE AN AMENDMENT DEM TO OUR ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION, WE COULD MOVE THIS TO MARCH 17th, IF THAT IS MORE AMENABLE TO EVERYBODY. OUR DEADLINE TO GET IT INTO ON BASTE WOULD BE FEBRUARY 14TH SO WE WOULD NEED THIS DONE VERY

QUICKLY WITHIN A WEEK-AND-A-HALF OR SO. >> SO, YEAH, I MEAN, WE COULD GO OUT TO MARCH 17th DATE. CAN >> CAN WE MAKE THE PROJECT BETTER? >> IT'LL BE YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT BETTER CONSISTENT WITH 24 OUT OF 25 APPLICABLE POLICIES, BUT WE CAN TRY.

>> USUALLY WHEN WE DO THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO KEEP FIDELITY WITH WHAT OUR JOB IS AS A COUNCIL. I DON'T WORK FOR YOU OR YOUR DEVELOPER TEAM BUT I DO WANT TO JUST REEMPHASIZE THAT AT LEAST MY EXPECTATION IS THERE'LL BE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MATERIALS WHEN IT COMES TO BIRD-FRIENDLY DESIGN. >> RIGHT. >> PERHAPS ENGAGE FRIENDS AT DA AND AT LEAST EXPLORE POSSIBILITY OF A PARTNERSHIP IN TERMS

FINANCING THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T WANT TO -- I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING IT HAS TO BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME BUILD OUT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX SO IF THERE IS LONG--TERM PLAN OG VISION THAT CAN BE ENGAGED IN WITH WHAT MANY FOLK HAVE SAID TONIGHT, THOSE WHO ARE WERE SINCERE IN WANTING TO DEAL WITH THE -- >> I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING -- THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT SUP BECAUSE GENERALLY UH SPEAKING -- AND YOU CAN YOUR STAFF IS HERE -- THERE IS A TYPE OF COMMITMENT LKE THIS, THEY WANT A TIMING -- >> DATE CERTAIN, YEAH. >> AND THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE COMPLETION OF THAT SIDEWALK WOULD, I MEAN THAT'S WHY IT'S THE TIMING COMPONENT WOULD BE OF PARTICULAR ISSUE. IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT MECHANISM, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD HAPPEN OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE ZONING, I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. >> OKAY. AND BECAUSE WHEN THESE ARE KIND OF COUNCIL-DRIVEN OR AT LEAST

THE COUNCIL IS PARTICIPATING IN THE CONTINUANCE, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR AND SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT THE ASSIGNMENT IS. >> SURE. >> SO IT DOESN'T APPEAR WE'RE MOVING GOAL POSTS WHEN YOU COME BACK. SO I'M EXPECTING DISCUSSION AND TO COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER'S POINT DISCUSSIONS ABOUT -- YOU'VE ANSWERED STORMWATER ISSUE -- BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTING IN GREEN BUILDING IF THERE ARE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT COULD BE GIVEN TO LEED COMPLIANCE AND GREEN ARCHITECTURE IN THE BUILDING.

SO THOSE TWO SPECIFIC FOR ME BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M BECAUSE WE PLAY SUCH AN ACTIVE ROLE IN THIS THAT'S WHAT MY CONVERSATION WILL BE TETHERED TO IF YOU DECIDE TO TAKE A CONTINUANCE. I THANK COUNCIL MEMBER CABALLERO FOR HER LEADERSHIP ON THIS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO THERE'S A CONSENSUS TO HONOR CONTINUANCE TO DATE MARCH 17th >> YES, WE WOULD ASK YOU MOVE TO TO DATE CERTAIN FOR NOTIFICATION PRUDENCES SO IT WOULD BE MARCH 17th. >> I WANT TO REITERATE JUST FOR REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS, THE CONNECTIVITY IS BEING CONSIDERED NOT IS BEING CONSIDERED IN SEPARATE TIMELINE OF THE ACTUAL PROJECT ITSELF. >> ONE OF THOSE SOLUTIONS THEY'RE GOING TO SEE IF THEY CAN -- >> COMMITMENTS RELATED TO THAT AS PART OF THE ZONING. I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE IN POSITION TO COMMIT TO COMPLETION OF IT AS PART OF THE ZONING.

>> ARE WE CONTINUING SO THIS CAN BE ALIGNED IN TIMELINE WISE? I'M SMOR INTERESTED IN COMMITMENT THAT IT'S ACTUALLY GOING GET DONE. BUT YOU GUYS WANT TO CONTINUE IT THEN SO BE IT AND WE CAN ADDRESS IT ON MARCH 17th.

I'M OKAY EITHER WAY I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT EXPECTATIONS FOR WHAT WE'RE ASKING. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR PRO TEM'S POINT ABOUT MOVING THE GOAL POST. I FEEL LIKE GENERALLY WHEN I ASK FOR CONTINUANCE AND I TEND TO DO THAT IT'S BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE'RE LIKE DOING WELL ON A CASE AND I THINK THERE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT WILL GET WHAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT FOLKS HAVE ADDRESSED HERE TO I KNOW SOMETIMES DEVELOPERS TRY AND THEY CANNOT MEET IT BUT I ALWAYS APPRECIATE THAT EXTRA EFFORT AND SO THAT IS WHY I'M ASKING FOR THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE WILL NOT TAKE ACTION ON THIS CASE TONIGHT. WELL, I'M SORRY.

>> CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING -- >> RIGHT. REOPEN AND THEN LEAVE IT OP. COLLEAGUES I'M GOING TO DECLARE THIS PUBLIC HEARING BACK OPEN AND ALLOW IT TO SUSTAIN OPEN UNTIL A DATE CERTAIN OF MARCH 17th. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK Y'ALL. COLLEAGUES, I'M GOING TO TAKE THREE MINUTES AND THEN WE'RE GOING GET TO IT.

>> ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET TO IT. ITEM 13. GIVE HER JUST A MOMENT.

ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO. BACK AT IT. BUT MORE THIS TIME.

SAME PROCESS WE'LL FOLLOW EARLIER. WELCOME. STAFF REPORT FOR 13. CONSOLIDATED ANNEXATION -

MORIAH RIDGE. >> MAYOR WILLIAMS, MAYOR PRO TEM MIDDLETON, AND HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS, GOOD EVENING. I AM ANDY LESTER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT. 307 ACRES AND LOCATED AT BETWEEN ERWIN ROAD AND MOUNT MORIAH ROAD AND CROSSING THE ORANGE COUNTY AND DURHAM COUNTY LINE.

THIS ANNEXATION PETITION IS FOR A CONTIGUOUS EXPANSION OF THE PRIMARY CORPORATE LIMITS. THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PARCELS IN ORANGE COUNTY IS RURAL TRANSITION, AND IN DURHAM COUNTY IS RESIDENTIAL SUBURBAN-20. 348 TO ALLOW UP TO 1,000 APARTMENTS, TOWNHOUSES, AND SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS WITH UP TO 2,500 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE USE WITHOUT

DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES. 327 ACRES. ANY USE WITHIN THE RS-20 ZONING DISTRICT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT ON THOSE TWO PARCELS. THE PROPERTIES IN DURHAM COUNTY ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNATED MIXED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE ON THE PLACE TYPE MAP.

THE PROPERTIES IN ORANGE COUNTY ARE NOT DESIGNATED A PLACE TYPE; HOWEVER, THE TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL'S FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATED THEM AS RURAL RESIDENTIAL. 348 ZONING FOR PARCELS WITHIN DURHAM COUNTY IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGNATED PLACE TYPE. FOR THE PARCELS LOCATED IN ORANGE COUNTY, CONSISTENCY WITH THE DURHAM PLACE TYPE MAP CANNOT BE EVALUATED AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT INCLUDE THESE ORANGE COUNTY PROPERTIES. IF THE PROPOSED ZONING IS APPROVED, STAFF RECOMMEND DESIGNATING TWO OF THE ORANGE

COUNTY PARCELS EAST OF MOUNT MORIAH ROAD TO THE RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE PLACE TYPE AND WEST OF MOUNT MORIAH ROAD TO THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD PLACE TYPE; THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGE TO THE PLACE TYPE MAP FOR THE PARCELS CURRENTLY WITHIN DURHAM COUNTY. IN ADDITION, STAFF RECOMMEND MIXED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ONE ORANGE COUNTY PARCEL EAST OF MOUNT MORIAH ROAD, 9890949949, PROPOSED FOR RS-20 AS IT CORRESPONDS WITH THE ADJACENT DURHAM PARCEL 140138. AND STAFF WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT THERE'S AN UPDATE TO THE FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. THERE WAS A FORMULA ERA THAT AFKED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS. REVENUES WERE OVERSTATED BEGINNING IN '28. REVENUES STILL COME UH OUT POSITIVE EACH YEAR BUT THE MAGNITUDE IS DIMINISHED.

BUILD OUT IN 34 IS $23,481,819,670. ESTIMATED GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES FOR CITY SERVICES REMAINS SAME. CUMULATIVE GENERAL FUND GAIN TO FUND IS $5,363,416. THANK YOU.

STAFF AND APPLICANT ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> COULD YOU SAY THAT LAST PART AGAIN? IT WAS A CALCULATION -- FORMULATE PAR. >> APPARENTLY THERE WAS AN ERROR IN FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS.

THE FORMULA USED TO GENERATE THE EXPECTED REVENUES, UM, IT WAS INACCURATE, BMS FOUND THAT OUT AND PROVIDED THESE UPDATED NUMBERS TODAY. >> THE FORMULA WAS INACCURATE OR THE MATH WAS INACCURATE? >> THE FEEDBACK THAT I GOT FROM BUDGET MANAGEMENT SERVICES WAS

THE FORMULA WAS INACCURATE FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS. >> OKAY. >> MR. LESTER ON THAT POINT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT YOU'RE SAY.

WHAT I SEE IN MY PACT NET GAIN TO THE CITY IS 27 MILLION PLUS, RIGHT. YOU'RE SAYING THE NUMBER'S MORE THAN 5 MILLION PLUS. >> CORRECT. >> OVER HOW MANY YEARS?

>> TO 2034. >> SO NINE? >> YEP. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. YOU'VE HEARD THE STAFF REPORT. COLLEAGUES, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

ANY COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY WAS THAT JUST FOR THIS CASE? >> YES.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I'LL DECLARE THIS PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, AND MR. GHOSH, ARE YOU CAN REPRESENTATIVE? ALL RIGHT.

HOW MUCH TIME DO UH YOU BELIEVE YOU NEED? >> 15 MINUTES. >> PLACE 15 MINUTES ON THE CLOCK. >> THANK YOU, MR.

LESTER FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. I AM NIL GHOSH, ATTORNEY AT THE MORNINGSTAR LAW GROUP HERE IN DURHAM AND REPRESENTED M/I HOMES NOR PROPOSE. ERIC ERICA LEATHAM IS HERE AS WELL AS BOMB ZUMWALT AND EARL LUELEN IS HERE AS WELL.

THIS IS A PRETTY UNIQUE PROJECT SO I THINK IT'S WORTH TAKING TIME TOGO THROUGH WHAT OWE OCCURRED HERE. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PRODUCT WITH M/I HOMES SINCE 2022. THE FIRST PART OF THIS PROJECT WAS DETERMINING THE APPROPRIATE

JURISDICTION FOR IT. OBVIOUS THINK BULK OF THE ACREAGE IS IN ORANGE COUNTY AND PREVIOUSLY IT ALSO WAS WITHIN CHAPEL HILL'S ETJ. WE WORKED WITH BOH MUNICIPALITIES TO RESOLVE THE JURISDICTIONAL QUESTIONS. T COUNTY BRIER CREEK HAS, DURHAM HAS ONE WITH TOWN OF CARY. INSTEAD OF AN AGREEMENT, DURHAM AND CHAPEL HIS HAVE A CONSENT JUDGMENT WHICH IS AT THE JUDICIAL LEVEL RATHER THAN ON A CONTRACTUAL BASIS BUT SAME PURPOSE. WHEN I 40 WAS BUILT IN ORANGE COUNTY HERE, THE CONSTRUCTION DID NOT INCLUDE ANY CONTINUE WIT FOR -- CONDUIT AND IT WOULD BE DISRUPTIVE FOR ORANGE WATER AND SEWER AUTHORITY TO RUN WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES TO THIS LOCATION

IF EVEN POSSIBLE. THESE PROPERTIES ARE BEING CHAPEL HILL'S EQUIVALENT O OF THEIR URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. THEY USE CONCEPT CALLED RURAL BUFFER, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S SAME CONCEPT. BUT THERE'S NO PRACTICAL WAY FOR ORANGE TO GET UTILITIES OVER THERE.

DURHAM UTILITIES ARE READILY AVAILABLE IN THIS AREA, RIGHT BEHIND WAL-MART SHOPPING CENTER IN NEW HOPE COMMONS AND BASED ON THESE FACTS AND OUR ADVOCATING DURHAM AND CHAPEL HILL AMENDED CONSENT JUDGE TOMENT GIVE DURHAM RIGHT TO ANNEX THIS AREA INTO CITY LIMITS. THAT WAS STEP ONE. STEP TWO, ANNEX RATION AND REZONING IN DURHAM. STAFF REPORT IS CORRECT WHEN IT SAYS THAT APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST WOULD EXPAND THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. IN CASE IT'S NOT OBVIOUS, THE ONLY -- THAT ONLY IS THE CASE FOR THE SECTION OF THE PROPERTY

IN ORANGE COUNTY WHICH WAS NOT WITHIN DURHAM'S JURISDICTION WHEN THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY WAS ADOPTED. OBVIOUSLY, DURHAM'S UGB DID NOT EXTEND INTO CHAPEL HILL THE SAME WAY IT DOES NOT EXTEND INTO CARY OR MORRISVILLE. THIS IS NOT WITHIN CHAPEL HILL'S RURAL BUFFER, THEY JUST USE A DIFFERENT FIRM. FACE THE FACTS, ANY AREA THAT'S A STONE THROW AWAY FROM WAL-MART OUGHT TO BE WITHIN THE UGB SO YES THIS WOULD EXPAND UGB BUT ONLY WAS A THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS DURHAM PICKING UP LAND NOT PREVIOUSLY WITHIN DURHAM'S JURISDICTION, SO THIS PROJECT EXPANDS DURHAM. YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THERE ARE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE PART OF THE ANNEXATION BUT NOT PART OF THE PDR ZONING REQUEST. AFTER THE CONSENT JUDGMENT WAS AMENDED THE OWNERS WANTED TO BE ANNEXED BUT NOT INTERESTED IN SELLING PROPERTY, SO WE WITH INCLUDED THEM IN OUR ANNEXATION REQUEST BUT THEY'RE NOT PART OF

OUR PDR ZONING, THEY ARE TRANSLATIONAL ZONING FROM ORANGE COUNTY ZONING TO CITY OF DURHAM ZONING. THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE OVERALL PROJECT. SO THE PROJECT, ITS, IS QUITE SIMPLE THOUGH IT IS LARGE. WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PLACE-TYPE THERE WAS NO PLACE-TYPE MAP ON THE ORANGE COUNTY SIDE, SO WE DESIGNED THE PROJECT TO STAY TRUE TO THE DESIGNATION ALREADY IN DRHAM WHICH IS MIXED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND RECREATION OPEN SPACE.

LET ME START ON THE RECREATION OPEN SPACE DESIGNATION. THE AREA WITHIN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT EAST OF MOUNT MORIAH ROAD IS CORRIDOR. WHEN THIS ITEM WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION, W ALREADY HAD COMMITTED TO KEEP THAT AREA UNDISTURBED. THE DURHAM OPEN SPACE AND TRAILS COMMITTEE PROVIDED THEIR THOUGHTS IN A LETTER THAT WHILE THAT WAS A GOOD STEP WE REALLY

SHOULD CONVEY THE LAND TO A GOVERNMENTAL CONSERVATION ENTITY. WE AGREED AND WE HAD BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR SOME TIME. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COLLABORATIVE, DURHAM COUNTY, ORANGE COUNTY AND OTHERS. AFTER PLANNING COMMISSION WE DID A SITE VISIT WITH DURHAM COUNTY.

SO TODAY WE ARE MODIFYING CONDITION 10 TO MAKE CLEAR THAT WE'LL BE GIVING THE LAND TO A CONSERVATION GROUP. THE LANGUAGE IS ON THE SCREEN AND WE ALREADY RAN THS BY STAFF. IN SHORT, WE'RE CONSISTENT NOT ONLY WITH THE RECREATION OPEN SPACE PLACE TYPE DESIGNATION BUT ALSO NUMEROUS POLICIES IN THE COMP PLAN THAT CALL FOR PERMANENT CONSERVATION AND SO JUST IS CLEAR, THIS SLIDE SHOWS A GEEN AREA, THAT'S THE AREA THAT WE'LL BE GIVEN TO THE CONSERVATION GROUP. AS TO THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD PLACE TYPE DESIGNATION, PROJECT CONTEMPLATES, SINGLE FAMILY, TOWNHOMES AND MULTIFAMILY UNITS

WITH SMALL AMOUNT OF NON-RESIDENTIAL. THREE HOUSING TYPES AND A LITTLE BIT OF NON-RESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOODAGE VERY MUCH CONSISTENT WITH THE PLACE-TYPE MAP. COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER YOU'VE OFTEN TOUTED THE THREE E D, DIVERSITY, DENSITY AND DESIGN. I TOUCHED ON DIVERSITY, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS LOCATION THIS, REALLY APPROACHED THAT 15-MINUTE COMMUNITY CONCEPT OUTLINE IN THE COMP PLAN.

FROM THIS SITE, TERE ARE MANY THINGS WITHIN 15-MINUTE WALK. AND THERE'S THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITMENT. WE'VE PLANNED THIS SITE IDEALLY FAR 9% LI TECH DEAL. NCHFA GENERALLY GROUPED 9% AWARD BY COUNTY SO THIS REPRESENTS MORE HOUSING IN THE CITY OF DURHAM WITHOUT IMPACTING THE OTHER POTENTIAL 9% AWARD THAT MIGHT GO TO A PROJECT ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY OF DURHAM BUT IN DURHAM COUNTY.

DHA TENDS TO UTILIZE 9% PROJECTS SO OURS WOULD NOT INTERFERE. THIS IS CLEVER IN MY OPINION BUT THIS TOUCHES ON THAT DIVERSITY COMPONENT. WITH DENSITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A THOUSAND UNITS. APARTMENT COMPLEX ACROSS THE WAY.

I THINK IT'S CALLED THE FLATS. THAT ZONED PDR 4 SO WITH MIXED OF SINGLES, TOWNS AND APARTMENTS IT'S DENSER. DESIGN. I'VE TOUCHED ON THIS A LIT BILLION THE PLACE M FOR THIS PROJECT APPROACHING 15-MINUTE COMMUNITY.

BEING ABLE TO WALK TO TRANSIT, GROCERY, PHARMACY, FOOD, AND MORE CALL STEMS FROM THE PLACEMENT AND DESIGN OF THE PROJECT. PROJECT ALSO COMMITS TO GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS FOR ALL HOUSING TYPES AND COMMITMENTS TO EV CHARGING SPACES IN COMMON AREAS. COMMITMENTS TO NATIVE PLANTS, REDUCED GLAD PLAIN AND HANDLING THE 100-YEAR STORM EVENT BUT PERHAPS BEST ARE FEATURES RELATING TO WALKABILITY AND OPEN

SPACES. IN ADDITION TO THE COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE 10-FOOT MULTIUSE PATH ALONG BOTH SIDES OF MORIAH, THE FIRST THING TO NOTE IN THAT REGARD IS THE COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE A FLASHING BEACON PEDESTRIAN CROSSING TO CONNECT TO EXISTING SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MADAM MAYOR ROAD. I THINK WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH COMMISSION AND NATURE TRAIL EAST OF MADAM MAYOR BUT CONDITION 21 REALLY TIES IT ALL TOGETHER. THIS CONDITION REQUIRES DEVELOPER TO CREATE A SERIOUS OF OPEN SPACE AREAS WITH WALKING AND BIKING TRAILS AND RECREATIONAL AMENITIES THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THE NEW HOPE CREEK CORRIDOR LANDS, MADAM MAYOR ROAD, ERWIN ROAD, AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT'LL BE BUILT.

THESE ARE OPEN SPACES WHICH CONNECT INTERNAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS BY WALKING TRAILS AND BIKE PATHS. THE CONDITION REALLY MAKES SURE THAT REGARDLESS OF WHO THE DEVELOPER S THE OPEN SPACE ELEMENTS MUST BE DESIGNED IN A COHESIVE WAY SO AS TO TIE THE AREA TOGETHER. IT'S A GREAT COMMITMENT. THE PROJECT HAS TAKEN A LONG TIME TO COME TOGETHER.

WE'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDER GROUPS AND WE CONTINUE TO DO SO INCLUDING OVER THE WEEKEND -- ACTUALLY, THAT REMINDS ME I NEED TO PROVIDE A CLEANUP ITEM DISCUSSED AT PLANNING. WE WOULD COMMIT TO PROVIDING OPAQUE FENCE, UM, AT THE HIGHEST ALLOWED BY UDO AROUND THE McGRE GOR PROPERTY, RODAN AND THE GARCIA PROPERTY. WE WOULD PUT THAT FENCING UP. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

SORRY K BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING. THE PROJECT HAS TAKEN A LONG TIME TO O COME TOGETHER. SOME OF YOU WERE ON COUNCIL WHEN WE STARTED ADVOCATING BETWEEN THE TOWNS TO GET THE CONSENT JUDGMENT AMENDED. WE'VE WORKED HARD TO ADDRESS LEGITIMATE CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY. ALSO WORKED HARD TO PUT TOGETHER A PROJECT THAT DELIVERS SO MANY THINGS. PRODUCT HAS BEEN DESIGNED IN THE

AIM MAJOR OF THE COMP PLAN IN THE 15-MINUTE COMMUNITY CONCEPT AND MORE GLOBALLY THIS I A SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM THAT HAS EXISTED FOR YEARS. THE AREA BEHIND THE WAL-MART HAS BEEN UNDERUTILIZED FOR DEADES SIMPLY UH BECAUSE IT WAS IN CHAPEL HILL'S JURISDICTION AND AWASA IS UNABLE TO PROVIDE UTILITIES TO THE AREA, BUT WHEN YOU'RE PITCHING WEDGE AWAY FROM A WAL-MART SHOPPING CENTER WITH TRANSIT STOPS, HOUSING IS A MUST. TO NOT PUT HOUSING HERE WOULD BE NEGINGLY GET AND WE'RE PROTECTING THE SENSITIVE AREA ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MORIAH AND PUT HOUSING IN A MEANINGFUL LOCATION. WALKABLE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN A CONVENIENT LOCATION.

I THINK UH THIS PROJECT TOUCHES ON A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING AND DES A GOOD JOB. IT ALSO SOLVES AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN SITTING AROUND FOR DECDES. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT, AND LOOK FORWARD TO ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. RT SKY LAR GULLV A AR, CAN YOU HEAR ME E? GULIVAR, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> HELLO?

>> HI, THERE E WELCOME. YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE. >> THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY OTHER THAN THIS IS APPROACHING A 15-MINUTE CITY IS RIDICULOUS.

HOW CAN A 100-ACRE PARCEL BE A 15-MINUTE CITY AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT FORESTED LAND DOES NOT JUST SIT AROUND. IT PROVIDES VERY VALUABLE BENEFITS TO BEING FORESTED. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. LIN CHING.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YOU'RE UNMUTED, ARE YOU SPEAKING INTO YOUR MIKE? >> CAN UH YOU HEAR ME? >> THERE YOU GO.

>> WELCOME. ONE MINUTE. >> THANK YOU. I LIVE IN THE RURAL BUFFER BETWEEN DURHAM AND CHAPEL HILL.

I'M STRONGLY OPPOSED TO MOUNT MORIAH DEVELOPMENT. I D NOT BELIEVE THIS IS ALIGNED WITH THE COMMUNITY INTEREST ESTABLISHED ADOPTIVE PLANS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ALICE G. >> CAN YOU LAER ME? >> THERE YOU GO. ONE MINUTE.

WELCOME. >> I'VE GROWN UP ON MOUNT MORIAH RIDGE. OUR FAMILY PUT ON THE RECORD WE'RE NOT PART OF THE ANNEXATION PETITION AND HAVE NOT RECEIVED

ANSWERS ON WHY YOUR PROPERTY WAS INCLUDED. E WE EXPERIENCED IMMENSE PRESSURE. WE KNEW THEY WERE UNREASONABLE AND OFFENSIVE BUT NEVER SIGNED ON TO ANY PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. THIS AREA OF RURAL COMMUNITY HAS REMAINED RELATIVELY BUFFERED GENTRIFICATION BUT NOW EXPANDED TO BE PUSHED OUT OF OUR HOME AS A RESULT OF THE MOUNT MORIAH PROJECT BEING PUSHED FORWARD.

A MAJOR ROAD UNFAIRLY DISADVANTAGES US. DISPLACEMENT LOSS AND GRIEF THIS PROEPS PROPOSAL. THIS IS NOT IN LINE WITH THE SOCIAL FABRIC OF THIS AREA. PLEASE DO NOT EXPAND BEYOND YOUR ESTABLISH UGB.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. KATHERINE PARKINS.

>> MR S. PARKINS IS NO RESPONDING. >> OKAY. IS THERE ANOTHER?

MADAM CLERK, DO YOU KNOW DUNCAN OBVIOUSLY IS SPEAKING TO THIS CASE? AND MALCOLM OBVIOUSLY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

GOTCHA. >> NO, MR. MAYOR. >> I DID SEE KATHERINE PARKINS GO OFF AND COME BACK.

SHE'S MUTED. MS. PARKINS, ARE YOU ABLE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF? ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL COME BACK IF IT WORKS OUT. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE TO IN -- COULD YOU SAY SOMETHING, MS. PARKINS, I

SAW YOU UNMUTE -- NO, YOU'RE MUTED BACK. SO, FIRST UP UH, LAURA McCALL, MOUNT MORIAH -- NO, I'M SORRY, NO, THAT'S THE CASE -- SINFER O OCIA GARCIA, DANIEL K, BARBARA DRISDOL, AND PAUL YOUNGBLOOD. SO WE WILL START WITH ONE MINUTE AND I WON'T STOP TO CALL YOUR NAME SO YOU JUST KEEP GOING. WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. REPLACING LONG TERM RATIONALITY AND LAND USE PLANNING WITH SHORT TERM EXPEND DENSE IS NOT A RANL

WAY TO DETERMINE DURHAM'S GROWTH AREA. WE NOW YOU VALUE ENGAGEMENT AN THAT'S WHY WE DO LAND USE PLANNING WITH COMMUNITIES. WHILE THE PROCESS OF THIS WAS MADE ALLOWABLE THERE'S NO OBLIGATION TO ADOPT IT. THE PROCESS TO INVOLVE AND ENGAGE A WIDER COMMUNITY IN A PROPOSAL THT HAS MAJOR LAND USE IMPLICATIONS HAS NOT BEEN AFFORDED.

IT'S A DEMONSTRATION OF THE UNREASONABLENESS. THE COMMUNITY SEEKS CONFIRMATION TONIGHT THAT TODAY'S VOTE IS CONSIDERED IN THE CONTEXT OF APPROPRIATENESS AND CONSIST WITH THE RATIONALE DRIVING OUR ADOPTED PLAN ETABLISHED LAND USE PLANNING AND EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS IS NOT AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. I URGE YOU TO DENY THE PROPOSAL BASED ON ESTABLISHED LONG-TERM PLANNING FO THE AREA.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> REMEMBER THAT STORY ABOUT CLAPPING? >> HI. >> HELLO.

>> GOOD EVENING. I'M REALLY NERVOUS BUT UH THIS IS IMPORTANT. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE LIVED ON MY PROPERTY FOR ALMOST 18 YEARS.

THE FAMILY OF MR. AND MS. EARL PRODUCT SOLD US THE HOUSE AND IT UH HAS BEEN AMAZING. FOR ALMOST 18 YEARS I'VE BEEN LIVING IN PERFECT PARADISE.

SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT ALL THIS, I CANNOT BE SELFISH. ORS SHOULD LIVE THERE TOO, TO EXPERIENCE THIS PARADISE, BUT GUESS WHAT? THE PARADISE THAT I KNOW WILL NO LONGER EXIST BECAUSE THERE WILL BE ---ING THERE NOT BE ANYMORE PRIVACY NOR WILDLIFE OR GREEN SPACES NOR PEACE AND CALM. WHAT I WISH, IF IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH, WHAT UH I WISH WOULD HAPPEN IS ONE ACRE LOTS WITH ONE HOUSE PER ACRE, YOU KNOW, KEEP

IT RURAL, KEEP IT BEAUTIFUL, BUT ALSO FOR THE HOUSES TO BE, UM, TO NOT -- >> THANK YOU UH -- >> TO NOT COST AS MUCH. THAT FAMILY -- OH, WE'VE ENDED. HELP THE SINGLE PARENTS WITH CHILDREN. THEY SOD ME THE HOUSE.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE KID, SO WHY SO EXPENSIVE? >> EVENING. DANIEL, I LIVE AT 494 ERWIN ROAD.

DAMAGE KASHUSKO. >> I WAS NOT GOING TO GET THAT RIGHT. >> I OWN THE BLUE BERRY FARM. IT WAS REQUESTED OF THE APPLICANT TO INCREASE ENGAGEMENT RADIUS.

THEY UH DECLINED. 600 OR EVEN A THOUSAND FEET IN A RURAL ZONE AREA DOES NOT GO FAR. I'M SIX DOORS DOWN AND I'VE RECEIVED NO DIRECT

COMMUNICATION. IF ANYONE HERE IS IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT THANKS TO MY HUNDREDS OF MAILERS OR MY SIGNS ON THE ROUNDABOUT, THANK YOU. WHILE CHAPEL HILL IS REQUIRED TO RELEASE THE LAND, DURHAM IS NOT BOUND TO FOLLOW JPA ZONING PLANS BUT IT DOESN'T HURT TO BE A LEADER, OR CONSIDER THIS PETITION SOLEMNLY AND WITH THE PETITIONS EXPRESSED BY MUNICIPAL NEIGHBORS. AT THIS POINT I'M NOT CERTAIN IF THE APPLICANT CAN DO BETTER YET I'M CERTAIN THE COUNCIL CAN.

THANK YOU. >> BARBARA DRISCOL REPRESENT BIRD ALLIANCE WHICH IS TWO THOUSAND MEMBERS WITHIN THE AREA. WE WANT TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERN BITS THE CONSOLIDATED ANNEXATION REQUEST. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ESSENTIALLY OUTSIDE THE RECENTLY-SET URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY ARE. AGAINST THE FUNDAMENTALS OF COMP

PLAN AND CONTRARY TO REINFORCED GROWTH GOALS. IF THIS ANNEXATION IS APPROVED WHAT IS PREVENT OTHER FROM FOLLOWING A SIMILAR PATH AND AS A RESULT THERE WILL BE NO PROTECTION OR RURAL LANDS. HABITAT WE'RE CONCERNED THAT DEVELOPMENT LAND WITHIN DURHAM CONTAINS HIGH PRIORITY HABITAT. MUCH OF THE PROJECT ON THE DURHAM SIDE IS IN DRY CREEK MOUNT MORIAH BOTTOM LAND NATURAL AREA AND SENSITIVE WILDLIFE WHICH SHOULD BE PERMANENT CONSERVED AND BUFFERED FROM DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU. >> PAUL YOUNGBLOOD, A DURHAM NATIVE. I'VE GROWN UP WALKING THE SHORES OF NEW HOPE CREEK. I WORK IN STREAM RESTORATIONS AND WETLAND MITIGATION. I KNOW E THE DAMAGES OF LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT.

I KNOW THERE SHOULD BE NO HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST SIDE F OF MOUNT MORIAH AND I AM ALMOST CERTAIN THAT THERE WILL NOT BE RIGOROUS ENOUGH BUFFERS WITHIN THE ZONE ON THE WEST SIDE OF MOUNT MORIAH. I'M IMPLORE YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER THAT MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS VOTE. THIS AREA'S BEAUTIFUL, IT'S WONDERFUL, AND IF YOU OPEN THE DOOR BY CHANGING THE RULES AROUND THIS URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY YOU OPEN THE DOOR FOR MORE DAMAGES DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE CAN'T PERCEIVE RIGHT NOW AND WE DON'T UNDERSTAND YET SO YOU GUYS NEED TO CONSIDER THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE THIS DVELOPMENT GO THROUGH BECAUSE I UH KNOW WHAT IT WILL DO TO THE AREA AND I KNOW THE PROBLEMS THAT IT WILL CAUSE. >> THANK YOU. WANDA RODAN, KELLY McGRE GOR, MICHAEL McGREGO, ANNA KATE

McGREGOR -- THE McGREGOR FAMILY, I GUESS, AND DAKE WILLIAMS. >> I'M WANDA RODAN. A BIG PROBLEM I THINK THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT AT THE VERY FRONT IS THE UGB. THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEING INVADED IS IN RURAL ORANGE COUNTY.

IT IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT AREA HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED AS MR. NESH SAID, WE DON'T WANT IT DEVELOPED. THE OWNERS THAT ARE SELLING THEIR PRPERTY DON'T WANT IT DEVELOPED EITHER. THEY JUST WANT TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY.

SOMEONE FROM THE OUTSIDE CAME IN AND CONVINCED THEM. I CAN'T BE ANNEXED INTO THE PROJECT, I CAN'T AFFORD IT. I CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR CITY WATER. I'M ON A FIXED INCOME. I CAN'T EVEN SELL MY PROPERTY

BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE IN MY AREA THAT I COULD BUY ANYTHING THAT I COULD AFFORD THAT WAS WITHIN M BUDGET. IT CAN'T HAPPEN. I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 50 PLUS YEARS. >> THANK YOU.

>> AND NOW I'M GOING TO BE RUN OUT. I'M A LOSER. >> I'M KELLY McGREGOR, 5315 MOUNT MORIAH ROAD. I'M ONE OF THE DOUGHNUT HOLES IN THIS PROJECT.

5 ACRES WOULD BE ANNEXED INTO DURHAM CITY AND BE SURROUNDED B DEVELOPMENT WITH A THOUSAND UNITS. WE'RE IN FRONT OF A BUSY ROAD. THIS PROJECT WOULD ADD A SECOND ROAD BOXING US IN AND LEAVING US FEELING DISPLACED. IT T WASN'T UNTIL THE FIRST COMMUNITY MEMBER THAT MY PROPERTY WAS INCLUDED. WE HAD NEVER BEEN APPROACHED BY THE DEVELOPER TO SELL TO THEM.

I'VE STRUGGLED HOW WE GOT INCLUDED. THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT OUR PROPERTY IS WORTHLESS AND THEY'VE DONE VERY LIT TOLL MAKE LIFE EASIER FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA. WE ARE NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT BUT WE ARE AGAINST POOR PRACTICE, LACK OF SENSITIVITY TO COMMUNITY, PLANS PUSHED THROUGH ON LEGISLATIVE TECHNICALITIES AND DEVELOPMENTS CONTRARY TO DURHAM'S COMPREHENSIVE GROWTH PLAN. >> MIKE McGREGOR I'D LIKE TO GIVE MY TIME TO CHARLES HARRISSON.

>> WE DO NOT YIELD TIME IN THAT WAY. YOU WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK ON RELINQUISH. >> WELL I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THIS IS A RURAL BUFFER ZONE FOR A REASON. KI RUN TO THE WAL-MART IN SIX TO EIGHT MINUTES SO IF YOU CAN HIT A PITCHING WEDGE THERE, I'D LOVE TO PLAY GOLF WITH YOU.

>> ANNA KATE McGREGOR. I HEARD ABOUT ONLY HOW SOME NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN A TREATED IN THIS PROCESS. IF YOU TALK TO NEIGHBORS THAT AREN'T SELLING LAND YOU'D BE SHOCKED BY THEIR EXPERIENCE. MANY OF THEM HAVE FELT BULLIED AND WORTHLESS AFTER INTERACTING WITH DEVELOPER.

S. HISTORY. OUR COUNTRY HAS AN INCREDIBLE STORY BUT HEART BREAKING TRAGEDIES. I DON'T THINK THE DEVELOPER TREATING NEIGHBORS POORLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS BAD AS WHAT'S HAPPENED IN OUR COUNTRY BUT THE WAY THEY'VE ACTED IS UNKIND.

DECISIONS WE MAKE TODAY HAVE REAL EFFECTS TOMORROW. I BEG YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW ME, MY FAMILY AND OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN AND WILL PROBABLY CONTINUE TO BE TREATED AND TO DMREEZ -- PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU.

>> DUKE WILLIAMS, CURLY ROAD AND MY OBJECTION TO THE PROJECT IS GIVES TAX MONEY TO ORANGE COUNTY INSTEAD OF DURHAM COUNTY AND I THINK THAT'S A FINANCIAL MISUSE OF REVENUE POSSIBILITIES. DURHAM COUNTY WILL GET ON $100 MILLION ABOUT $600,000 OF ANNUAL REVENUE. ORANGE COUNTY WILL GET LITTLE OVER A MILLION I THINK GIVING THEM A DOLLAR FOR EVERY 60 CENTS WE GIVE IS A BAD FINANCIAL DECISION. IN ADDITION, THE MEETINGS I'VE BEEN TO, IT SEEMS THAT MOST OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA DON'T WANT IT SO IT HAS REMINDED ME VERY MUCH OF US TRYING TO ANNEX GREENLAND AND I HOPE THIS WOULD NOT BE OUR DURHAM CITY ANNEXED ORANGE COUNTY AS GREENLAND. THANK YOU. >> WILLIAM CASTELLO, LAURA

HILLTON, AARON COLEY, BRYAN WESTFILL, OR BREANNA, SARAH JOHNSTON, ANNETTE RICE. WELCOME. >> MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, THANK UH YOU. I HAVE 11 POINTS I WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH BUT MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN TOUCHED ON.

I'LL EMPHASIZE A COUPLE THINGS THAT REALLY RESINATE WITH ME ABOUT THIS. THIS PLAN TO ANNEX OUTSIDE THE UGB AND OUTSIDE DURHAM COUNTY, LET'S THINK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE STREAMS AND UH YOU KNOW, THAT ARE PART OF A VERY ECOLOGICALLY-SENSITIVE AREA THAT THEY'RE IDENTIFIED IN CRITICAL AREA PROTECTION PLA. SO THIS IS NOT JUST UNDEVELOPED LAND. THINK OF IT UH AS PART OF

CLIMATE REARE SILL YEN IS I. WE WANT TO BE SMART ABOUT GROWTH BUT THIS MAY NOT BE THE SOLUTION WE NEED. OTHER TOPIC I'LL TOUCH ON QUICKLY, EXTENDED UTILITIES OUTSIDE OF THE UGB WORKS AGAINST A LOT OF INITIATIVES WE'VE ALREADY TALKED THROUGH IN OUR EXTENSIVE PLANNING, SO AGAIN I WOULD IMPLORE THE COUNCIL NO ACCEPT THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> LAURA HILLTON AND ADDRESS ON RECORD. PER THE COMP PLAN, ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY'S LIMITS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED WHEN IT'S SUBSTANTIAL BENEFIT. THIS PROPOSED PLAN FAILS TO MEET THAT MARK ON A FEW POINTS. MAKES ONLY GENERALIZED STATEMENT IN SUPPORT OF UGB. DESPITE REMARKS BY MR. GHOSH I DON'T THINK THE PLACEMENT OF WAL-MART SHOULD DICTATE DURHAM'S GROWTH STRATEGY OR URBAN

DEVELOPMENT PLANS. UM, THE DOUGHNUT HOLES OF LAND THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT CREATES, IT CREATES FOUR, IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC AND DURHAM LEAP FLOGING GROWTH INTO THE ETJ WOULD BE A FIASCO. TCC AND NEW HOPE CORRIDOR MASTER PLAN HAVE WARNED AGAINST INCREASED TRAFFIC ON ERWIN ROAD. AS MOTHER OF FOUR CHILDREN AND FOUR DIFFERENT SCHOOLS IN DURHAM, I SPEND A LOT OF MY DAY ON THAT ROAD AND CAN ATTEST THAT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC.

THANK YOU. >> AARON COLY, 101 LANE. I'M APROSED TO ANNEXATION. THANK YOU FOR ENGAGING COMMUNITY IN THESE DISCUSSIONS AND I THINK IT BRINGING UP MAJOR FLAW IN THIS PLAN IN THAT IT'S DONE EVERYTHING IT CAN TO AVOID THAT

PROCESS. TO GO AROUND THE UGB THAT HAS BEEN THE PLATFORM FOR US TO DISCUSS OUR HOPES FEARS AND DIRECT THE GROWTH OF DURHAM GOING FORWARD THIS PLAN TRIES TO UNDO IT WITH THE EXPENDITURE THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE UGB I BEEN IN DURHAM. THE ENCROACHMENT THIS CREATES ON RURAL BUFFERS IN AND AROUND DURHAM IS UNNECESSARY AND SEVERE AND CREATES THE OUTCOMES WITH CITY AND COUNTY BEING ASKED TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN ORANGE COUNTY. I'D LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL TO FOCUS ON THE INFILL WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT YOU HAD TEST FOR THE LAST PROJECT IS IT IN DURHAM, IN UGB, ADDRESS AFFORD OABLE HOUSING?

ANSWERS NO. >> SARAH JOHNSTON AND I LIVE IN GARRETT FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. I WAS PLANNING TO GIVE A BUNCH OF BULLET POINTS ABOUT MY THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT BUT A LOT OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY

HAS BEEN SAID SO TO RESPECT EVERYONE'S TIME TONIGHT I WON'T DUPLICATE COMMENT BUS I WOULD LIKE TO URGE TO YOU REJECT THE PROPOSAL AND KEEP THE FI UH DELLTY OF THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY ARE AND ALSO PLEASE LISTEN CAREFULLY TO THE COMMENTS O OF MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND CONSIDER THE ETHICAL AND INTEGRITY ISSUES THAT ARE BEING SHARED ABOUT OUR OUT OF TOWN DEVELOPERS. THANK YOU. >> GOONT GO AND. ANNETTE RICE AND I'M HERE TO REITERATE SOMETHING THT I UH HEARD A VERY WISE MAN SAY TONIGHT.

IF WE SAY NO TO THIS, SOMETHING WILL BE BUILT THERE. THAT'S NOT THE CASE RIGHT HERE. THIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY OUTSIDE OF THE UGB AND MOST OF IT IS ACTUALLY INSIDE A DIFFERENT COUNTY WITH THERE'S A SUBSTANTIVE POLICY IMPLICATION DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT FIRST PLANNING THE LAND USE FOR THE AREA WITH EQUITABLE FAIR ENGAGEMENT. A PDR ZONING OF THESE PROPERTIES

WILL CREATE A SATELLITE WITHIN THE RURAL AREA ALSO WITH RURAL BOW NUTS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT FINGERPRINT AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO OFFER TO PUT HIGH FENCING AROUND IT WHILE IT HAPPENS. THAT'S GREAT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THOSE DOUGHNUT HOLES, ISN'T IT? ANY PROPOSAL THAT CREATES A ZONING INCONSISTENCY APPEARS LIKE AD HOC APPROVAL AND IT IS NOT IN OUR COMMUNITY'S BEST INTEREST. THE TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL ALREADY HAD THIS AREA ZONED RURAL TRANSITIONAL, NOT URBAN.

>> THANK YOU. DID WE HEAR FROM SARAH JOHNSTON. ALL RIGHT. DID WE HEAR FROM BRIE BRIE YEAH NAH?

SHE'S NOT HERE. NEXT UP UH, BARBARA DRISCOL, BARBARA McGARA, MS. GARCIA, S.

GARCIA. BARBARA DRIS COL SPOKE TOO. NICOLE M. M-A-O-Z.

JOSEP JOSEPH HERRIN, MARNI, AND SIERRA. >> BARBEE McGARA, MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE DETRIMENT TO RESOURCES DOES NOT PENCIL OUT FOR COMMUNITY. THE FOLKS IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE SELF-INTERESTED, THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE ARE, THAT THEY HAVE NO INTEREST OR CONNECTION TO ORANGE COUNTY, DURHAM COUNTY, OR THE CITY OF DURHAM. THE PEOPLE WHO STAND TO BENEFIT FROM THIS PROPOSAL ARE NOT

DURHAMITES CURRENT OR FUTURE. PLEASE REJECT IT. >> WHAT WAS YOUR NAME? >> BARBEE.

>> THAT WAS IT. >> JOSEPH, I'VE SENT EACH OF YOU AN E E-MAIL I'D LIKE TO ELABORATE ON THOSE. THAT E-MAIL ALSO INCLUDED PHOTOS OF FLOODING AND STREAM WHICH IS NOT SHOWN ON THE PLANS WHICH THE DEVELOPER HAS DISREGARDED, BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT WHO THIS DEVELOPER IS. M/I HOMES, NATIONALLY STRAITED COMPANY WHO TRADED TODAY AT 120 A SHARE. WHAT THY HAVE PROPOSED TO DO IS BUILD 1000 UNITS ON THE EAST SIDE OF MOUNT MORIAH GIVING YOU 50 AFFORDABLE UNITS WITH 950

AT-MARKET RATE. IF YOU'LL LOOK AT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THEY HAVE DONE, THEIR TOWN HOUSES GENERALLY START IN THE 500-600 THOUSAND DOLLARS RANGE. HOUSES START IN THE 750-800 THOUSAND DOLLARS RANGE. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT HOLLY SPRINGS WHEN MAKING DECISION AND YOUL BENEFIT FROM THS WILL BE THE CITIZENS OF ORANGE COUNTY.

>> THANK YOU. MADAM CLERK, YES, I DO. >> MARNI DENSE MORE, ADDRESS ON FILE. NO RESULT OF STREAM DETERMINATION COMPLETED OUTSIDE COUNTY LINE. THE ABILITY TO OMIT INTERMITTENT STREAMS AND PROFFER BUFFERING ISN'T A SITUATION WE SHOULD RUN INTO. THE REVIEWING AND GOVERNING BODIES DON'T HAVE AN HONEST ACCOUNT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES O OF THE LAND AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE EVALUATION AND VOTING CONSIDERATIONS.

AND JORDAN LAKE THE KASHG TIS RICKS OF THESE PARCELS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT PARCELS. PLANS OUTSIDE UGB IS NOT APPROPRIATE. WE CANNOT PRETEND THEIR UNIQUE. TRANSPARENT VIEW OF THE STREAMS AND HABITAT PATCHES IDENTIFIED IN CONSERVATION PLANS ILLUSTRATES THIS DECISION CONCEPT. THANK YOU. >> HELLO, IS I YES RASHGS 5009 MOUNT MORIAH ROAD ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND I'M EXTREMELY HEART BROKEN AND HORRIFIED THAT THE NATURE THAT I UH CALL MY HOME IS GOING TO BE DESTROYED AND I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE DEVELOPER MAJORITY SHAREHOLDERS ARE MULTINATIONAL -- >> COULD YOU BACK AWAY FROM TE

MIKE A LITTLE BIT. WHERE DO I START? WELL, I DON'T -- SORRY, TRYING TO DO MY BEST. >> YOU'RE DOING WELL.

>> I I REALLY CARE ABOUT THIS AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO EARN MONEY FROM THIS ARE NOT THE DURHAM COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO CAN'T AFFORD HOUSING BECAUSE ALL OF OUR MONEY KEEPS GOING TO THESE COMPANIES. OUR MONEY IS NOT CIRCULATING IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT SO WE NEED TO STOP THIS, NOW. THANK YOU. >> WE'LL HAVE STAFF COME OVER.

SIERRA, YOU DID REALLY WELL. ING TO CALL UP THE NEXT WHAT'S YOUR NAME? I'LL CALL YOU IN JUST A MINUTE. NEXT I HAVE CHRISTINE FALCOM,

ELISE, JENNY ROB BINS, EMILY ARNOLD, ELSIE MILLER. YEP, READY TO GO. >> CHRISTINA FALC O ON AND INFORMATION IS ON FILE. WE'VE HEARD SEVERAL PUBLIC COMMITMENT TO THE FIDELITY OF THE URBAN GROWTH FINGERPRINT TONIGHT.

WE ASK YOU TO HONOR THE OBJECTIVES THAT HAVE SOUGHT FAIR EQUITABLE ENGAGEMENT BUT ALSO T STAND BY COMMITMENTS MADE TO THE COMMUNE TWI THE INTENTION OF MAINTAINING THE UGB AND FOCUSING ON INFILL AS YOU'VE CLEARLY STATED HERE TONIGHT. BALANCING COMPETING NEEDS, PRESERVING AND PROTECTING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES AN PLANNING FOR GROWTH IS THE VERY REASON WHY THE UGB AND RURAL PRESERVATION EXISTS. THIS ORANGE COUNTY LAND WAS NOT TARGETED FR GROWTH DURING THE UPDATE LIKELY BECAUSE THERE ARE ENOUGH AREAS ALREADY WITHIN THE

UGB AND COUNTY TO TARGET FIRST. THIS IS NOT AN INFILL PRODUCT. PLEASE BALANCE GROWTH AND RURAL PRESERVATION THAT YOU HAVE PREVIOUSLY COMMITTED TO WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS. THIS PROPOSAL DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS DECADES OF PLANNING EFFORTS AND I ENCURAGE YOU TO RESDWLEKT PROPOSAL.

-- REJECT THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS ALISE DOME, 5009 MOUNT MORIAH ROAD. I AM DISGUSTED BY THIS.

I'M OPPOSED, AGAINST IT. WE HAVE HORSES ON OUR LAND AND THIS DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO BE SO CLOSE THAT THE RISK OF THESE RESIDENTS COMING TO POSSIBLY FEED OR RACH OUT AND TOUCH OUR ANIMALS AND PUT THEM A AT RISK, ARE Y'ALL GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? THAT'S MY QUESTION. IF THEY FEED MY DIABETIC HRSE AMS DAY AFTER DAY AND CAUSE THEM TO GO DIE, ARE Y'ALL GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? THAT'S MY QUESTION.

I WANT TO KEEP THISES A RURAL AS POSSIBLE. THERE'S NOT NEED TO O BE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COMING CLOSE UP TO MY PROPERTY AND PETTING MY HORSES WHEN THEY COULD BITE THEM AND THEN I END UP BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. SO NO, WE DO NOT NEED THIS DEVELOPMENT THIS CLOSE TO A RURAL AREA.

STOP THE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS JENY ROBINS AND MY ADDRESS IS ON RECORD. THE PARCELS ON THE EAST SIDE OF MOUNT MORIAH INCLUDED IN THE ANNEXATION PROPOSE POSE SEVERAL INSKIN IS IS.

THE DURHAM SIDE WERE LEFT IN THE UGB DURING THE UPDATED COMP PLAN REVIEW PROCESS HOWEVER THE PARCELS ARE DOMINATE BID FLOOD LAIN AND ROS PLACE TYPE. ANNEXATION AND REZONING THE SELLS CONFLICTS WITH THE NEW HOPE PLAN. RESULTING DENSITY IS ONE DWELLING PER TWO ACRES.

THESE THREE PARCELS ARE KEY RIPARIANSs OUTLINED IN NEW HOPE CREEK CRITICAL AREA'S PROTECTION PLAN. THE MOST SENSITIVE PARCELS HAVE BEEN PROPOSED FOR ANNEXATION AND CONFLICT WITH POLICY 79 AIMED TO PROTECT DRINKING WATER SURCES FROM THE IMPACTS OF DEVELOPMENT. THIS PROPOSAL IS BEFORE US TODAY BECAUSE THE APPLICANT PETITIONED TO CHAPEL HILL THAT THEY REQUIRED WATER SEWER SERVICES HOUSING YET THEY INCLUDED ING PARCELS WITH NO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, NO REQUIREMENTS FOR CITY SERVICES -- THANK YOU. >> EMILY ARNOLD.

>> NO. >> ELLIS MILLER. COME ON UP. >> EVERYBODY SAID MOST OF F MY STUFF. ELIZABETH MILLER, ADDRESS ON RECORD. MOUNT MORIAH RIDGE -- OVER THE YEARS HAS APPROACHED CHAPEL HILL

TO DEVELOP THIS LAND TO NO AVAIL. WITHOUT THE PASSAGE OF HB 211, NEVER WOULD HAVE COME BEFORE THE CITY. CHAPEL HILL'S HANDS WERE TIED, HAD TO AGREED. CHAPEL HILL HAS BEEN CLEAR ABOUT NOT BRINGING TOWN WATER NORTH F OF 40.

WHEN MORIAH BOUGHT, THEY KNEW THE ZONING. THEY GAMBLED. DID THEY PAY LOBBYIST IN RALEIGH, WHO CAN SAY. CITY OF DURHAM AD CITIZENS ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS PERSON'S BAD DECISION.

I WOULD URGE TO YOU VOTE NO. THANK YOU. >> NOW MR. PUGH. NEXT ROB LOVISNSKY -- --

MICHAELSON AND JOHNSON EDBURN. ALL RIGHT. DID SHE GET THAT PULLED UP? >> IT'S ON HERE BUT I DON'T SEE IT ON THE -- >> THERE IT IS.

>> OKAY. DEN PUGH. THE DEVELOPER MADE TO -- THEY WORKED WITH TE TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL WHO IDENTIFIED EIGHT STREAMS. THE STREAMS ARE ON A PUBLICLY-AVAILABLE STORMWATER MAP.

HOWEVER, THE MAP IS NOT RECOGNIZED BY THE DURHAM UDO SO THEREFORE TH DEVELOPER IS NOT REQUIRED TO SHOW THEM BUT THE DEVELOPER SAID AT ONE TIME IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL TO. HOWEVER, THE PLANNING STAFF SAYS IT'S PERFECTLY FINE TO E SHOW ALL THESE STREAMS. SO, THEY SHOW ONE STREAM ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THE QUESTION IS, WHERE ARE THE STREAMS? ALL RIGHT. WELL THE DEVELOPER MAKE A FORMAL COMMITMENT TO SHOW STREAMS THAT MATCHES THEIR PUBLIC COMMITMENT?

AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS -- AND HAVE A RIGHT TO DO A STREAM DETERMINATION BUT THEY NEED ACCESS TO THE LAND, THEY'VE ASKED FOR TEX COMMITMENT T DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN SILENT. REJECT IF THEY DON'T ACCEPT THE COMMITMENT. >> THANK YOU. >> ROB LAVINSKY, WEST CORNWALLIS ROAD IN DURHAM.

I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE OF TRAFFIC. I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS DURHAM HAS A PLAN PR GROWTH AND THIS CONTRADICTS THAT PLAN. COMMITMENTS THE CITY HAS MADE TO FOCUS ON INFILL PROJECTS WITHIN ST CITY LIMIT PERHAPS 15 MINUTE CITY WOULD BE ABRICKABLE TO SMALLER AREA, NOT ENCROACHING ON ERWIN ROAD. LEAPFROG DEVELOPMENT IS TERRIBLY DESTRUCTIVE AND INAPPROPRIATE. IT'S WHY THE CIT'S PLANNING BOARD REJECTED THE PROPOSE. IT'LL BE COSTLY AND TIME

CONSUMING, IT'LL BE CHALLENGED IN COURT ON LEGAL GROUNDS THAT'S NOT HELPFUL FO ANONE INCLUDING DEVELOPER. PLEASE VOTE NO AND INVITE THE DEVELOPER TO RETURN WITH PLAN THAT'S REASONABLE FOR THE AREA. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ELLEN MICHAELSON, ADDRESS ON FILE. I OWN TWO PARCELS ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. WHEN I WAS LOOKING FOR LOCATION FOR MY HORSE FARM 20 PLUS YEARS AGO, I RESEARCHED SOILS, TOPO AND ZONING ORDINANCES FOR THE LONG TERM AND USE PLAN. I WAS UH LUCKY ENOUGH TO FIND A PROPERTY THAT HAD BEEN SERVING THIS EXACT PURPOSE FOR SEVERAL DECADES.

THE LACK OF FUTURE GROWTH AND DENSITY CONFIRMEDED THIS AREA WAS PERFECT PLACE FOR US. THE ZONING REGULATIONS AND HOW TO AREA IS TO NOT GROW WAS PART OF THE SELECTION CRITERIA WHEN WE INVESTED OUR RESOURCES. THE DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO OUR LAND WOULD NOT ONLY COMPLETELY DESTROY THE DYNAMICS AND LAND

USE NEXT DOOR BUT CHANGE THIS RURAL COMMUNITY. THIS IS A MAJOR SHIFT IN THE LAND USE PLANS FOR AN AREA THAT HAS ESTABLISHED THIS SIDE OF 40 AS NATURAL RESIDENTIAL WE KNEW WHEN E WE BOUGHT IT WHAT THE ZONING WAS. RIGHT NOW EVERY LAND USE PLAN AVAILABLE IN THIS AREA SHOWS IT'S OUTSIDE A TARGETED GROWTH. 70% OF THE PROJECT IS OUTSIDE OF DURHAM AND MAKES NO SENSE AND WE ASK YOU TO BE CONSISTENT AND VOTE AGAINST LIKE YOUR STAFF SUGGESTED.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> JUDSON EDBURN. TWO INFRASTRUCTURES.

WATER. THIS PROJECT IS SUCH A SIZE IT REQUIRES A LOOPED WATER CONNECTION ONE OF WHICH COULD BE OBTAIN THROUGH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE ROAD. THE OTHER ONE WOULD EXTEND ALL THE WAY UH INTO DURHAM COUNTY ALMOST 2 MILES; ERWIN ROAD FROM MOUNT SIGH NIGH THROUGH THE

RURAL BUFFER WHICH DOESN'T ALLOW FOR WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION, ACROSS NEW HOPE CREEK AND DOWN PICKETT ROAD. THE OTHER IMPACT WOULD BE SEWER CONNECTION AND THE DATA SAYS THAT MULTIPLE LIFT STATIONS WOULD BE REQUIRED RECOGNIZE THAT THE COST OF MAINTAINING LIFT STATIONS WOULD BE ENIRELY BORNE BY DURHAM. THANK YOU. >> AND JUST TO BE SURE, MARY LIB O OLD, NOT HERE?

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. TAMMY SAWAYA. JOHN COWEN. KATHERINE ROSS. ROBIN BAREFOOT.

>> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> THANK YOU. SHE'S WITHDRAWING. ROMAN JENNINGS.

OR JENES. WELCOME. >> TAMMY SWAYA, BAPTIST ROAD. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE COMP PLAN TALKED ABOUT DURHAM NEEDING 60,000 DWELLINGS BY 2050.

IF YOU FLAKE DOWN IN TEN YEAR INCREMENTS, TWENTY THOUSAND DWELLINGS W NEEDED THAT BETWEEN 2020 AND 2030. HOW MANY DWELLINGS HAS DURHAM ADDED? DO YOU KNOW? HAVE YOU ASKED THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO GIVE YOU THIS INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN HAVE SMART DEVELOPMENT?

PRESERVE RURAL DURHAM HAS TRACKED THESE. WE HAVE GONE AND TRACKED AND I'VE GONE TO EVERY CITY COUNCIL AND TRACKED THE OTHER. IN TOTAL ON THE COMP PLAN WE

HAVE BUILT WHAT WE NEED IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS. WE ARE OVER THE AMOUNT TAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW. WHY DO WE NEED THIS? WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER THOUSAND UNITS WHEN WE'VE GOT ENOUGH?

THANK YOU. >> JOHN COWWEN. I WORK FOR FOOD SECURITY PROTECTION OF AGRICULTURE, HERITAGE PRESERVATION AND USEFUL ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION. IT HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT FOR THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY TO BE CONSIDERED. EFFORTS HAVE BEEN MADE WITH THE PROTECTION PROGRAM IN DURHAM COUNTY TO CONTINUE THE PRESERVATION OF ECOLOGICALLY SENSITIVE RESOURCES OFFER SUPPORT FOR THE RURAL AGRICULTURAL AND FORESTED LAND AND AVOID CONVERSION OF THESE

LANDS UNNECESSARILY. IT ACTIVELY SEEKS WAYS TO ENSURE PERMANENT PRESERVATION OF THE RURAL CHARACTER AND RECEIVES FUNDING. APPROVING THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN WILL HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES ON THE NEIGHBORING RURAL BUFFER, FORESTED ANDING A LANDS AND SURROUNDING LAND AND KONSZ VEGAS. NEIGHBORS HAVE ACTIVE HORSE, AGRICULTURE AN BLUE BERRY FARMS.

>> KATIE ROSS. I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT TAMMY WAS SAYING. I EARLIER POINTED OUT AGAIN THAT 60,000 IS THE NUMBER THAT WAS PREDICTED BY THE PLANNING AND THE OFFICE OF BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT IN 2020 BASE THOOND POPULATION. EACH YEAR, TWO THOUSAND IF YOU'RE ON A TRAJECTORY, WOULD BE THE AVERAGE NOODED TO MEET THAT -- NEEDED TO MEET THAT PREDICTION. TONIGHT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU ONE

PROJECT THAT WANTS TO GO HALF OF WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING FAR WHOLE YEAR ARK THOUSAND UNITS, AND THAT'S NOT THAT UNUSUAL TO BE HERE WITH THAT MANY UNITS. ANOTHER TIME I HAPPENED TO BE HERE WAS ON THE VIRGIL ROAD ASSEMBLY. ON THAT NIGHT ALONE OVER 800 UNITS WERE APPROVED. DO YOU DOUBT AT ALL THAT YOU'RE SO FAR BEYOND THE AVERAGE OF TWO THOUSAND UNITS A YEAR THAT YOU HAVE EXCEED WHAT HAD IS NECESSARY TO MEET TH HOUSING NEEDS CURRENTLY FOR DURHAM?

WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A BREAK AND RECONSIDER THE TRAJECTORY AND GET INFORMATION FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. COMING UP LAST TWO SPEAKERS: ARIN GANISH, OLIVIA SINGLETON, AND CON NOR HEARTMAN.

>> ME TALK VERY EFFICIENTLY TODAY. ME GROW UP IN THE OLD GROWTH FOREST BEHIND MY HOUSE. IT'S THE REASON I STAND HERE TODAY. AS A [INDISCERNIBLE] I WAS E REJECTED FROM MY SOCIAL GROUPS AND FORCED TO HOME SCHOOL.

THE FOREST WAS MY UH SANG WARE. IT BROUGHT PEACE TO MY LIFE AND IT SO DOES MANY OTHERS. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SEE NOTHING UH BUT TREES IN THE WAY OF THEIR PROFIT. THEIR NEW SOURCE OF INCOME.

SEVERAL YEARS AGO THIS GENTLEMAN NEAR THE SUIT TORE DOWN THE WOODS I GREW UP IN BEHIND MY UH HOUSE. WHICH THERE'S A SWEET TO IT WHICH IS SEEING KIDS GET TO GROW UP IN THE FOREST RESERVES THAT ARE -- IT'S INSPIRATIONAL. EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO LIE NEAR WILDLIFE PRESERVE ALTHOUGH I DON'T AGREE E WITH EVERY

STATEMENT OUR MAYOR PRO TEM MADE TODAY I I DO AGREE WITH THAT, AND THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL REMOVE IT. THANK YOU. >> GANISH, ADDRESS ON FILE. APPROVING THIS ANNEXATION CREATES PRESSING LASTING IMPLICATIONS.

HOUSE BILL HAS INTERFERED FOR TOO MANY MUNICIPAL LTIES TO ENFORCE ORDINANCES THAT ALIGN WITH LAND USE PLANNING. JOINT AGREEMENTS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST ACROSS ORANGE COUNTY LINES INCLUDE THIS AS RURAL COMMUNITY. THE DURHAM UGB AND FUTURE GROWTH MAPS DO NOT TARGET THIS AREA EITHER. APPROVING THIS ANNEXATION WOULD PROVIDE CONFIRMATION TO THOSE SEEKING TO CIRCUMVENT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROCESS. IF THIS IS APPROVED FUTURE DEVELOPER WITHOUT THE SAME

VESTED INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY UH CAN SHAPE OUTCOMES AND LIMIT THE RECOURSE OF THE MUNICIPALITIES. URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THE PRECEDENT OF THIS. THIS IS VERY UNIQUE AS OTHERS HAVE POINTED OUT, SITUATION. THANK YOU.

>> O OLIVIA SINGLETON. >> GOOD EVENING. OLIVIA SINGLETON AND I LIVE IN AMERICAN VILLAGE. I KNOW ONLY ONE PERSON IN THIS GROUP, BY THE WAY. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I E CAME TO THIS KIND OF LATE WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND THAT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DID OPPOSE THIS, SO WHY ARE WE MAKING -- WHY ARE WE

MAKING THIS VOID NOW? AND I UH REMEMBER WHEN THE, UM, THE NEW HOPE COMMONS WENT CAME ON BOARD AND I THOUGHT, THIS DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW IS JUST A RIPPLE EFFECT OF THAT, AND THAT DIDN'T GO WELL. >> THANK YOU UH. >> PLEASE DON'T DO THIS.

>> GOOD EVNING, I'M CON NOR HEARTMAN. THANK YOU FOR THIS EVENING. WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE HB 211 WAS PASED, REMOVING CHAPEL HILL'S ABILITY TO STOP THIS BAD IDEA FROM MOVING FORWARD AS IT HAS FOR THE LAST DECADE AND LUCKILY THIS COUNCIL AND YOUR WISDOM HAS THE ABILITY TO SAY NO FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS. MR. GHOSH MADE THIS ARGUMENT THAT THERE'S A SHOPPING MALL NEARBY AND THAT'S THE REASON TO DEVELOP OER HERE. WITH TE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY THE WHOLE POINT IS TO GROW UP UH

TO THE BOUNDARY. IF WE USE THAT AS THE REASON TO CROSS OVER INTO THE RRAL LANDS THAT WE HAVE LAID OUT IN POLICY ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, THERE IS NO GROWTH BOUNDARY FROM THERE FORWARD. I THINK IT'S AN ARGUMENT AND ONE WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT. I URGE YOU TONIGHT TO PLEASE VOTE NO.

IT FEELS LIKE THE YEARS OF CONSULTATION, THE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT HOW O WE SHOULD GROW THIS CITY AND COMMUNITY WOULD BE SET ASIDE AND BECOME IRRELEVANT AND THAT WOULD BE VERY SAD TO SAY THE LEST. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND THIS EVENING. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ARE WE OKAY BECAUSE WE TOOK A BREAK EARLIER, RIGHT, FOR THE CLOSED CAPTIONERS? ARE WE GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COLLEAGUES, BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS, LET'S TAKE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH? YEP. TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. BACK TO IT. SO AFTER WE'VE HEARD ALL OF THE COMMENTS, MR.

GHOSH, YOUR TEAM LIKE TO RESPOND? >> YEAH, JUST BRIEFLY. COUPLE THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID ABOUT THE RURAL BUFFER, UM, THE UGB AND CHANGING JURISDICTION AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS ALL OF THAT. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS PROJECT WOULD NOT ENCROACH INTO CHAPEL HILL'S RURAL BUFFER OR WHAT THEY USED OR AREA CONSIDERED RURAL BUFFER IN CHAPEL HILL. THE RURAL BUFFER IN CHAPEL HILL IS 1,800 FET TO THE NORTH OF WHERE THIS IS. THIS IS NOT IN CHAPEL HILL'S

RURAL BUFFER NOR WAS IT EVER. THE CHANGE IN JURISDICTION -- I THINK THERE WAS A HB 211 WAS MENTIONED A COUPLE TIMES, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THAT UH LAW BUT VI REVIEWED IT AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IN SOME SCENARIOS THAT LAW WOULD GIVE PROPERTY OWNER STANDING TO SUE A MUNICIPALITY IF THE MUNICIPALITY CLAIMED JURISDICTION OVER THE PROPERTY AND WOULD NOT, I GUESS, ALLOW IT TO USE UTILITIES. THAT IS NOT WHAT AYE HERD HERE AT ALL. THERE'S NO LAWSUIT THAT THAT LAW WAS NOT INVOKED IN ANY WAY WHEN WE ADVOCATED BETWEEN THE CITY OF DURHAM AND TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL TO AMEND THAT CONSENT JUDGMENT. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR IN CHAPEL HILL THERE WAS A FULL PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT THE AMEND OF THE

CONSENT JUDGMENT AND THAT ULTIMATELY WAS APPROVED BY ELECTED OFFICIALS AT THE TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL. OPEN THAT THE JURISDICTION WAS CONSENT JUDGMENT WAS AMENDED. THE UGB, I MEAN, AS HAS BEEN SAID, BECAUSE THIS AREA WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY WITHIN DURHAM JURISDICTION, DURHAM MADE NO STATEMENTS ABOUT WHETHER IT OUGHT TO BE IN THE UGB OR NOT. AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED AND AS HAS BY SOME SPEAKERS, IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY THAT'S ALREADY IN DURHAM COUNTY WHICH WAS OBVIOUSLY WITHIN DURHAM'S JURISDICTION, THAT PART'S ALREADY IN UGB. SO THIS IS LAND THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE UGB AS EXISTS IN DURHAM. I I SUPPOSE IT'S NOT EXACTLY POSSIBLE TO KNOW HAD THIS AREA WITHIN DURHAM'S JURISDICTION HOW THE CITY WOULD HAVE TREATED IT WHETHER UGB WOULD HAVE EXTENDED

TO THESE AREAS, HOWEVER, I MEAN, THE CITY OF DURHAM ALSO AMENDED THE CONSENT JUDGMENT AND AT THAT TIME, THE PART OF THE REASONING THERE IS THAT THE UTILITIES ARE IN THIS AREA. THIS WAS DONE SO THAT THE AREA COULD BE DEVELOPED. THAT WAS DONE OUT IN THE OPEN BY BOTH THE CITY OF DURHAM AD TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL, AND, YES, AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE OF THAT CHANGE IN JURISDICTION, WE'RE PURSUING A PROJECT. FINALLY, I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON THE STREAMS.

COUPLE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE STREAMS WE WERE SHOWING ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN ALL THAT WAS REQUIRED TO BE SHOWN. WHENEVER WE GO TO DEVELOPMENT PLAN WE'LL SHOW STEAM DETERMINATION. SO EVEN IF NOT SHOWN ON DEVELOPMENT PLAN IF STREAM DETERMINATION IS DONE IN CONSTRUCTION WITH SITE PLAN IF SHOWS THERE ARE OTHER STREAMS ON

THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT WE'D HAVE TO FOLLOW DURHAM'S GUIDELINES AT THAT POINT FOR HOW TO TREAT THOSE STREAMS. DURHAM AND CHAPEL HILL HAVE DIFFERENT RULES TO TREAT STREAMS AND IT'S UNKNOWN HOW SOME OF THE STREAMS THAT ARE CHARACTERIZED A CERTAIN WAY IN CHAPEL HILL MIGHT BE CHARACTERIZED IN DURHAM. THAT WILL HAPPEN AT TIME OF SITE PLAN. THE STREAMS WILL BE PROTECTED AND THEY FALL WITHIN DURHAM'S DEFINITION.

SO, THAT'S WHAT I'M RESPONDING TO AT THIS POINT. I THINK MUCH AS BEEN MADE ABOUT THE UGB AND CHANGE IN JURISDICTION BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT IS AS BIG A MYSTERY AS IT MIGHT APPEAR TO BE. ALL OF THAT DID HAPPEN AND I ALSO WILL SAY I DON'T PLAY GOLF SO THE [INDISCERNIBLE] PROBABLY NOT VERY GOOD. MY PARTERER TOLD ME ABOUT THAT

AS SOON AS I SAT DOWN, SO, SORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT THANK YOU ALL. >> ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE AL MY COMMENTS I MEAN CARDS, SO I'LL OFFICIALLY DECLARE THIS PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AND BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT.

COLLEAGUES. MR. BAKER. >> I'LL BE VOTING NO ON THIS CASE.

THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A TENSION FOR CITIES AND FOR CITIES THAT ARE GROWING TO GROW INWARD, UPWARD AND OUTWARD. THAT TENSION ON THE EDGE IS ALWAYS GOING TO EXIST BETWEEN CITIES, DEVELOPMENT, METHOD AND MODE OF DEVELOPMENT AND RURAL RESIDENT WHO IS LIVE ON THE EDGE. IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO EXIST. THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO O BE THAT TENSION AND IT'S FAIR. THERE ARE GOING TO BE DECISIONS NO ONE LIKES AND WHAT WE CAN DO AS A MATTER OF GOOD GOVERNANCE AND TO MANAGE THAT CONFLICT AND THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

TO MANAGE THAT GROWTH OUTWARD. WE'RE ABLE TO MANAGE OUTWARD GROWTH. WE HAVE MANY DIFFERENT TOOLS. ONE OF THEM IS THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY.

I THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB IN BEING CAREFUL IN THAT PLANNING. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TOOK ALMOST FIVE YEARS TO PUT TOGETHER. UGB WAS THOUGHT-THROUGH. IT EXISTS.

IT'S THERE. THIS IS SIMPLE, IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE DELINEATION, IT'S NOND THE UGB. I WOULD WELCOME A JOINT JURISDICTIONAL PLANNING PROCESS IN THIS AREA THAT IS VERY CAREFULLY DONE THAT IS COMMUNITY AND COLLABORATIVE-DRIVEN PROCESS, BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE YET. IT DOESN'T EXIST. THERE ISN'T A VISION FOR THE FUTURE, THERE SBLT A COMMUNITY-DRIVEN VISION FOR THE FUTURE; THEREFORE, WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO APPROVE REZONINGS IN THAT AREA. I THINK THAT IF WE APPROVED IT, IT WOULD SET A PRECEDENT FOR

THAT AREA BECAUSE THERE'S MUCH MORE LAND SURROUNDING THE BOUNDARIES O THIS CASE. I ALSO BELIEVE IT WOULD SET A PRECEDENT FOR EVERY SINGLE OTHER PART OF THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY OF DURHAM. SO I' NOT READY TO DO THAT, SO I WILL BE VOTING NO TONIGHT. [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR, ACTUALLY, THIS MIGHT BE -- THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE FOR PLANNING. SOME RESIDENT TALKED ABOUT TAX DISTRIBUTION. I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. >> WHAT GOES TO ORANGE? TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT. THERE IS THAT WHILE THIS IF N APPROVED THE AREA WOULD BE WITHIN THE CITY OF DURHAM AND WOULD PAY CITY OF DURHAM TAXES, ANYTHING IN ORANGE WOULD PAY

ORANGE COUNTY TAXES. >> SO IT'D BE SPLIT FOR THOSE RESIDENTS. >> YES. SO IT'D BE SPLIT FOR THOSE RESIDENTS.

>> SO THE TAXES WOULD PAY FOR UTILITIES OR THE UTILITIES WOULD BE SEPARATED? >> COMPLETELY SEPARATE ISSUE. >> SO ALL UTILITIES WOULD COME TO DURHAM. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] ORANGE COUNTY, CORRECT?

>> EVN THOUGH IN ORANGE COUNTY, WATER AND CITY WOULD BE BY THE CITY OF DURHAM. >> RIGHT. >> SO ORANGE COUNTY RESIDENTS, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO SCHOOL? >> THEY WOULD GO TO CHAPEL HILL CARRBORO CITY SCHOOLS ON THE ORANGE COUNTY SIDE OF THE LINE.

>> WHERE ARE THEY VOTING? >> DEPENDS. IF THEY'RE CITY OF DURHAM IN ORANGE COUNTY RESIDENTS, THEY'RE VOTING FOR CITY OF DURHAM IN CITY AND ORANGE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN ORANGE COUNTY ELECTIONS. THEY'RE VOTING FOR CHAPEL HILL CARRBORO SCHOOL BOARD.

>> SO COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. DOES THIS CURRENT ITERATION OF THIS PROJECT CREATE SATELLITES? >> SATELLITE, I DON'T BELIEVE -- J OR DOUGHNUT HOLE. >> IT DOES.

>> DOUGHNUT HOLES, YES, IT DOES CREATE DOUGHNUT HOLES. >> SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY CONTIGUOUS? >> WELL IT CAN BE CONTIGUOUS AND STILL CREATE DOUGHNUT HOLES. >> OKAY.

FINALLY, I HAVE MORE, SORRY. >> COME BACK? ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER RIST. >> THANK YOU. YOU KNOW I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ELEMENTS IN THIS CASE THAT RECOMMENDED THE OPEN SPACE ELEMENTS, THE DEDICATION OF LAND TO A KONSZ VEGAS ORGANIZATION, SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY, AND THIS

25 MILES FROM A TRANSIT STOP, BUT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE FOUGHT LONG -- THE COMMUNITY FOUGHT LONG AND HARD TO CREATE COMP PLAN, WE JUST PASSED IT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, CREATING URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. WE WORKED A LOT TO GET DENSER INSIDE THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY AND SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE GOING OUTSIDE THE URBAN GROWTH THIS IS NEAR AN IMPORTANT AREA. THIS IS A BIG TRANSIT NETWORK THERE WITH I 40, WITH 15-501. IT'S NOT GOING HAPPEN TOMORROW BUT WE'LL BE BUILDING BUS RAPID TRANSIT.

THIS AREA WILL GT DENSER. THIS IS IN THE FUTURE PLACE TYPE IN CHAPEL HILL. I CAN SEE SOME DAY TO DECIDE TO EXTEND URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY BUT I'M NOT PREPARED TO RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT SUPPORTING THIS CASE. >> YEAH, GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU. THAT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER RIST MY QUESTION WAS LIKE I GET WHAT THE APPLICANT'S SAYING REZONING OUTSIDE THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY BECAUSE IT WASN'T OUR LAND TO BEGIN WITH. OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHERE WOULD STAFF HVE LANDED HAD IT BEEN IN DURHAM COUNTY? >> UH, THE -- >> WOULD IT -- >> SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN DURHAM COUNTY.

I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY A CONVERSATION TO HAVE. THE CONSENT JUDGMENT WA STILL IN -- THE ORIGINAL -- PREVIOUS CONSENT JUDGMENT WAS STILL IN EFFECT AT THE TIME THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN OCTOBER 2023. SO IT WAS NOT EVEN A CONSIDERATION OF STAFF TO LOOK ACROSS THE COUNTY LINE BECAUSE THE COURTS HAD SAID WE COULDN'T ANNEX THERE ANYWAY. >> OKAY.

>> I WOULD RATHER NOT SPECULATE NOW HOW WE MIGHT HAVE GONE. >> THAT'S FINE. JUST CURIOUS. TO THE APPLICANT'S POINT, I AM

NOT CONFUSED AS TO WHY IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE A LOTS OF OTHER THINGS, UM, YOU UH KNOW, THAT AREA IS AN AREA WE HAVE THE PATTERSON PLACE COMPACT DISTRICT ON ONE SIDE, RIGHT, 15-501 IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, UM, THE MPO WHICH IS NOW THE TPO [LAUGHTER] -- HAS LONG HAD A VISION FOR BRT AND THAT IS A CONTESTED BATTLE WITH NCDOT RIGHT NOW. IT IS NOT REAL CLEAR HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET BRT DOWN THERE. HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THE DESIGN ELEMENTS WE WANT AND WHEN I SAY WE I E MEAN CHAPEL HILL, ORANGE COUNTY, CARRBORO, THOSE ARE ALL DURHAM COUNTY, DURHAM CITY AND PARTS OF CHATHAM. THOSE ARE ALL THE PARTS THT MAKE UP TRIANGLE WET NOW, TRANSIT PLANNING ORGANIZATION, AND SO THAT CORRIDOR WHILE VITAL

AND WHILE THIS LAND IS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO IT, IT IS HADN'T BEEN DEVELOPED WELL IN MY OPINION. IT IS THAT KIND OF BOX STORE SPRAWL THAT I THINK MANY OF US WOULD RATHER SEE IN THE FUTURE CHANGE, SO I THINK IF WE PUT SOMETHING THAT'S BIG -- AND I APPRECIATE THE 9% LITECH, I DO HAVE CURIOSITY AROUND THE WHAT THE APPLICANT SAID AROUND IT WOULDN'T BE COMPETING WITH OTHER DURHAM PROJECTS AND THAT, THAT'S NOT A FEAR THAT I HAVE, BUT, UM, ESSENTIALLY THAT IS AN AREA THAT IS -- IT JUST GIVES ME HEARTBURN. IN THAT AREA AND A LOT OF SHIFTS AND A LOT OF UNDOING, AND CURRENTLY, WE'RE NCDOT A LOT OF BATTLES ON WHAT DURHAM WANTS VERSE US THE VISION NCDOT IS PUTTING FORWARD WHICH IS NOT A

LOT OF CONNECT TITY OR BIKE LANES OR CONNECTING WITH TWO SIDES OF 15-501 AS IT IS NOW, AND SO WITH ALL OF THAT, AND THIS IS AS BIG AS IT IS, AND IT IS IMMEDIATELY AFTER -- I MEAN THAT SECTION OF MOUNT MORIAH IS INTERESTING. OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN ANTICIPATE THAT COMBROET IS COMING THERE'S A GIANT ROUNDABOUT AT ERWIN -- YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S COMING. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT DAY IS TODAY, AND SO UM, I'M A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO REALLY TRIEDS. LIKE I UH KNOW I UH UPSET RESIDENTS A LOT BECAUSE I USUALLY DO VOTE FOR DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE I THINK HOUSING IS IMPORTANT. THAT'S MY FUNDAMENTAL THING THAT I NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY IS HOUSING. IT HAS TO BE IN A WAY THAT DOES ACTUALLY MOVE THE GOALS FORWARD PROJECT AS IT STANDS TODAY DOES NOT DO THAT, SO I WILL BE VOTING NO.

>> THANK YOU, COLLEAGUES. THANK YOU ALL, MEMBERS OUR NEIGHBORS FOR STAYING WITH US SO LONG TONIGHT. I THINK I'VE ARRIVED AT THE SAME PLACE AS MY COLLEAGUES BUT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS AND I THINK THERE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS TO POINT OUT. WE DID, IN FACT, VOTE TO AMEND THIS CON ISN'T JUDGMENT AND THEREBY TELEGRAPHED AT LEAST THAT THE POSSIBILITY OF DEVELOPING IN THIS AREA WAS ON THE TABLE.

THAT'S INEVITABLE, UNAVOIDABLE THAT IT WOULD BE INTERPRETED THAT WAY. IT DIDN'T GUARANTEE WE WERE GOING TO APPROVE WHATEVER CAME BEFORE US BUT IT CERTAINLY DID SET UP UH THE STAGE FOR IT. I MAY MAKE NEWS TONIGHT BUT I WANT TO SAY THIS PLAINLY TO YOU. WE CHUCKLED ABOUT WAL-MART'S PLACEMENT AND US NOT MAKING OUR DECISIONS BASED UPON WHAT WAL-MART DID. WAL-MART AIN'T STUPID. THERE'S A REASON WHY WAL-MART

FELT COMFORTABLE TO PUT THAT WAL-MART THERE. THERE'S A REASON WHY OUR STATE LEGISLATURE MADE THIS POSSIBLE, AND I'M NOT PREDICTING ANYTHING, BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE STUDENTS OF HISTORY AND SEVERAL OF UH YOU MADE HIS TOR WALL ILLUSIONS HERE, I WOULD GO BACK AND WATCH WHAT HAPPENED WITH 751. EVEN IF W SAY THIS COUNCIL SAYS NO, THERE ARE OTHER FORCES AT PLAY IN THIS CONTEXT, AND OFTENTIMES, THE YESES WE SAY ARE CONTOURED TO GET THE BEST DEAL THAT WE CAN AS I SAID EARLIER. JUST BECAUSE WE SAY NO DOESN'T MEAN SOMETHING'S NOT COMING. EVEN IF THIS COUNCIL SAYS NO, THERE ARE FORCES BIGGER THAN THIS COUNCIL THAT ARE AT WORK AND SCENARIOS THAT HAVE PLAYED NOUT THE PAST SO EVEN A VICTORY TONIGHT, IT MIGHT BE WHAT WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN IN OUR OWN HANDS MIGHT BE VERY DIFFERENT DOWN THE ROAD SO WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH, I NATE -- PUT THAT TO YOU

UH. ALSO FOR THIS INTELLECTUAL CLARITY ABOUT TH UGB. FIRST OF ALL THIS COUNCIL IS NOT THE COUNCIL THAT PASSED THE COMP PLAN. IT WAS A DIFFERENT COUNCIL AND IT DIDN'T PASS UNANIMOUSLY.

IT PASSED 4-3, IT WAS A SPLIT VOTE, AND PLANS ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE LEADERS THAT ARE IN THE SEAT AT THAT TIME. IT'S NOT LEGALLY BINDING. IT'S OUR HOPE, IT'S ASPIRATIONAL AND HOPEFULLY LEADERS WILL WORK HARD T KEEP FAITH WITH IT. BUT THIS ISN'T IS COUNCIL THAT PASSED IT.

I AM GLAD TO SEE THOUGH THAT SOME OF OUR THERE ARE SOME OF OUR FRIENDS IN HERE TONIGHT TOUTING THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY BECAUSE WE'VE HAD CASES THAT WERE WITHIN THE UBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY AND SOME OF O THESE SAME GROUPS USED THE SAME ARGUMENTS TO KILL IT FOR INFILL AS IF IT WERE OUTSIDE THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. I'M GLAD TO SEE CONVERTS TOUTING THE VIRTUE OF THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. I'VE BEEN A BIG PROPONENT OF THE YOU ARE BEGAN BOT UR

BOUNDARY. WHEN WE DEVISED THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY A CASE THAT WAS THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY DID NOT RESULT IN A NET GROWTH OF DURHAM. THE CALCULUS WAS THE COUNTY SHUNK, CITY FINGERPRINT GREW, BUT MAP DIDN'T CHANGE. IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE MET OUR GREENLAND OR CANADA.

DOES DURHAM AS A WHOLE GET BIGGER? AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT WASN'T CONTEMPLATED. IF DURHAM AS A WHOLE GETS BIGGER, DOES THAT INVITE US GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESET THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY? PERHAPS PART OF THAT LAND IS URBAN AND PART OF IT MAINTAINS ITS RURAL CHARACTER BECAUSE IT'S A NEW DISCUSSION. SO JUST FOR INTELLECTUAL CLARITY THIS IS NOT AN APPLE TO APPLE DISCUSSION BECAUSE A REGULAR GROWTH DISCUSSION DOES NOT RESULT IN DURHAM GETTING BIGGER.

THIS IS DIFFERENT; DURHAM GETS BIGGER. IT'S UNCHARTED TERRITORY AND THAT MAY PROVIDE US WITH AN OPPORTUNITY ONCE AGAIN TO MAKE P PART OF IT URBAN AD PART RESIDENTIAL. AND I SEE SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS IN THIS PLAN AS IT'S BEFORE US; HOWEVER, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN A BIG PROPONENT OF THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT THAT IT DOES, UH BUT IT ALSO MAKES DURHAM BIGGER AND I JUST WANT TO KEEP BE HONEST ABOUT THAT SO IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF DISCUSSION. SO I'M BECAUSE -- AND BECAUSE I HAVE TOUTED IT, I'M NOT PREPARED TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS CASE TONIGHT, BUT HOWEVER, I DO ONCE AGAIN AND I'LL END HERE -- DON'T THINK THIS IS OVER, AND MAKE THE VICTORY LAP MUTED BECAUSE WHAT WE COULD HAVE PUT OUR OWN HANDS ON HERE AND CONTOURED FOR US MAY VERY WELL BE DICTATED TO US BY OTHER FORCES, AND IT MAY BE LESS DESIRABLE THAN WHAT WE COULD

HAVE GOTTEN WHILE IT REMAINED HERE BEFORE US TONIGHT. NOT TO BE OVERLY DRAMATIC BUT JUST STAY TUNED. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> COLLEAGUES? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

IT'S LATE. UM, UH I -- SO, I THINK THE RECORD STATES CLEARLY I'M VERY PRODEVELOPMENT. UH I OFTEN VOTE IN A WAY THAT MAKES SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO LOVE ME MOST IN THIS COMMUNITY REALLY PISSED OFF. UM, EVEN WHEN IT COMES TO CITY HALL, BUT UH I DO, YOU KNOW, I DO THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT FOR ME IT'S VERY CLEAR HOW WE GENERATE REVENUE, HOW WE EXPAND OUR TAX BASE, HOW WE GET A LOT OF THINGS WE WANT TO GET I

THROUGH HOUSING. WE'RE NOT SELLING LEMONADE OR CHICKEN TO MAKE MONEY. CITIES COLLECT TAXES FOR REVENUE, AN WE USE THOSE TAXES TO DO STUFF THAT CITIES DO. DESPITE ANY OTHER CREATIVITY THAT FOLKS TRY TO MAKE US AGAIN INTO, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE MAINLY UH HERE TO DO, SO I UH ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, TRY AND BREAK DOWN THOSE ARGUMENTS.

YOU KNOW, WE WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT WE ALSO TRY TO BLOCK HOUSING. WE DO THAT A LOT, YOU KNOW. UM, BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AT NO FAULT OF YOU ALL AS APPLICANTS, AT NO FAULT -- I THINK M/I HOMES DOES GREAT WORK TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT I THINK THE COMPLEXITY OF HOW THIS CASE CAME ABOUT -- I'M GLAD THAT -- CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE STATES IT -- WE DID VOTE TO AMEND TO HEAR THIS, THAT WAS QUITE THE BATTLE ITSELF, BUT IT

WAS NO GUARANTEE. IT WAS THAT WE WOULD HEAR IT. I ALSO THINK THIS AREA IS A GROWING AREA, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TRANSPORTATION ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO ON 15-501, AND I DO THINK THAT IN SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE, WE ARE GOING TO SEE IF NOT THIS CAE COME BACK WITH ANOTHER PROPOSAL OR, UH YOU AREA, WE'RE GOING START SEEING MORE ACTIVITY OVERTIME. I USED TO BE OVER THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY.

OUR FIRST RESTAURANT WAS RIGHT IN OAK CREEK VILLAGE. I USED TO PASS THERE TO GO TO WAL-MART AND THERE WAS ALL THOSE TREES RIGHT OVER THE LITTLE CREEK. THAT'S ALL CLEARED OUT NOW, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY THAT'S HAPPENING OVER THERE. FOR ME IN THIS CASE, I THINK THERE ARE TOO MANY UNKNOWNS AND TOO MANY THINGS JUST UNCLEAR AROUND THE CREEKS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T SHOW THIS BECAUSE OF OR WE DON'T HAVE THIS BECAUSE IT WAS

CHAPEL HILL OR -- I THINK WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF MAKING HARD DECISIONS LIKE HARD CONCRETE DECISIONS, WE NEED TO HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION BEFORE US, AND, UM, I DO THINK THAT YOU ALL TO THE APPLICANTS PRESENTED A GOOD CASE, BUT I THINK THAT AGAIN AT NO FAULT OF YOUR OWN, THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY COMPLEXITIES THAT MAKES THIS A LITTLE UNATTRACTIVE FOR A THOUSAND UNITS AT ONE TIME. AND SO I CONSIDERING YES THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. NOW WE PUT THS URBAN GOWTH BOUNDARY IN PLACE. I HAVE ARGUED THAT IN PAST CASES, WE NEED TO CONTINUE IT. THAT'S BECAUSE THE ACTUAL CASE ITSELF WAS ON THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY LINE AND IT WAS THERE IN THE PROCESS BEFORE THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY CONCEPT WAS MADE POLICY OR IT WAS SUGGESTED. IN THIS CASE, YU KNOW, WE'RE

CLEARLY OUT AND PART OF THIS IS ALSO JUST BEING CONSISTENT FOR THE SAKE OF TRUST. I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, CONVENIENTLY ARGUE FOR OR AGAINST THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY WHEN WE PUT IT THERE. I THINK UH WE SHOULD DENSIFY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, THEREFORE, I AM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY NOW. WE HAVE THINGS INSIDE THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY AND PEOPLE PUSH IT, I'M GOING TO PRETTY MUCH GO FORWARD IF IT'S AT FACE VALUE, A GOOD CASE AND THAT MAKES SOME FOLKS UPSET BUT WE E HAVE THOSE THINGS IN PLACE FOR A REASON. SO, UH, I DO WANT TO SEE MORE WORK DONE HERE. I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE BUT UH WE CAN LOOK AT ALL THE TECHNICAL THINGS SUCH AS MAYBE WE SHOULD GO HIGHER IN THE HEIGHT TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE LAND OR WHATEVER THERE, YOU CAN GET GREATTIVE WITH ME BUT FOR ME IT WAS MORE SO, UM, HOW SOMETHING THAT WAS COMPELLING TO ME WAS HOW FOLKS

ARE FEELING, YOU KNOW, HOW FOLKS WERE TREATEDED THIS N THIS PROCESS. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY YOU UH ALL AS APPLICANTS AS THE REPRESENTATIVES, LEGALLY, UM, AS LEGAL REPRESENTATION HERE TONIGHT. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TO M/I HOMES BUT OVER THIS VERY LONG PERIOD OF TIME SINCE I BELIEVE WHAT 1946, THIS THING HAS BEEN WORKED ON ALL THE WAY UP TO NOW, PART OF THE PROCESS WHEN PEOPLE TRY ACQUIRE LAND, THAT CAN BE AGGRESSIVE. I THINK THIS IS A LESSON FOR MOVING FORWARD WHEN FOLKS ARE TRYING TO ACQUIRE LAND. YOU DO NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE RESPECT FOR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T HAVE PROOF IN MY HAND RIGHT NOW BUT I'VE ENGAGE AN JUST BASED ON INFORMATION I'VE COLLECTED, THOSE CONVERSATIONS CAN CAN BE SENSITIVE SO I WOULD BE SENSITIVE IN THAT PROCESS WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO D THOSE THINGS. SO I THINK THE COUNCIL HAS

PROJECTED OUR PLEASURE TONIGHT ON THIS CASE. I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ANNEXING 'MORIAH RIDGE' INTO THE CITY OF DURHAM AND TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO A UTILITY EXTENSION AGREEMENT WITH M/I HOMES OF RALEIGH, LLC. >> MOVED AS READ. >> SECOND.

>> ITS BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE OPEN THE VOTE. PLEASE CLOSE VOTE. >> MOTION FAILS 5-0.

>>. [APPLAUSE] >> AND ALSO ENTERTAIN A MOTION -- EXCUSE ME. THAT'S RIGHT. CONSISTENCY STATEMENT?

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT IS THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. AT THIS TIME, I WILL -- WE ARE

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